Nuclear UFO Incursions: Why UAPs Keep Showing Up at Military Bases

Why do UFOs keep showing up around nuclear missile silos, weapons labs, and restricted military airspace?

In this episode, Josh and Travis dig into one of the strangest patterns in UAP history: repeated sightings and incidents at some of the most sensitive nuclear sites in the world. From Minot and Malmstrom during the Cold War to Soviet-era cases in Ukraine and modern drone incursions over Los Alamos and military bases in the UK, the pattern is hard to ignore.

Are these objects surveilling our most destructive technology? Sending a warning? Testing our defenses? Or are governments covering for something far more human?

Along the way, the guys get into missile shutdowns, Soviet documents smuggled out by George Knapp, coordinated drone swarms, and the uncomfortable reality that whatever is showing up near these sites doesn’t seem too concerned about being stopped.

Videos:

• WEAPONIZED - Russia vs. USA - The Race to Crack UFO Technology
• American Alchemy - “This UFO Shut Down 10 Nukes!” Air Force Officer Robert Salas
• Eyes On Cinema - Robert Salas talks UFOs disabled nuclear missiles while hovering over Malmstrom AFB, March 16, 1967
• The Good Trouble Show with Matt Ford - What Are These Drones Doing Over Military Bases?

Transcript

Aliens Yes Maybe No Setup

Josh 0:03

Aliens Aliens.

Travis 0:07

Yes. But maybe no. Welcome to the show. Aliens, yes, but maybe no, Josh and Travis. I'm Travis. I'm Josh. And this is an otherworldly podcast as ambiguous as our title, even though our title is no, it's ambiguous. Kinda. Because we're like, alien, yes, but maybe no. What does it mean? Like, it's not it's indecisive.

Josh 0:39

Yeah.

Travis 0:39

Nobody knows. Do they believe or don't they? Yeah, or or they maybe.

Josh 0:43

Yeah, I was thinking if we ever go to like a conference and we tell people what our podcast name is, they might get upset because it could mean no, and they're gonna be hardcore believers.

Travis 0:54

Well, I don't know. When I talk to people about our show, they think it's very funny, the title.

Josh 0:59

That's good.

Travis 1:00

And I think that's how most people approach this the way we do, which is like with a sense of humor and curiosity.

Josh 1:06

They're not like, well, why is there a no? It should just be maybe yes.

Travis 1:09

Well, why would a maybe be there? It should just be aliens, yes. Yeah, it's just aliens, yes. It should just be called aliens. Yeah, why you're wasting all that time?

Josh 1:18

That's true. What did we talk about last week?

Travis 1:21

Oh, I know what we talked about last time. I do too.

Josh 1:24

Balls, balls, never forget, yeah, space balls, balls in space, yeah. Mystery spheres. That was fun. Yeah, just hearing about some of these weird spheres that have been showing up and doing weird things. I've heard about them, but I never looked into it. And now I know, and now I can talk about it, and then probably forget about it. I know. So, what are we talking about today? Today, we are talking about nuclear aliens.

Travis 1:53

Incursions, yes, not just nuclear aliens. Nuclear. There you go. What a callback. Push two called it nuclear. Did he? Yeah, but I think that's how everybody was pronouncing it. Now, who cares? Like, nobody's correcting anybody saying ridiculous things.

Josh 2:09

Yeah, any people that corrected me, I just kind of pushed them out of my life. Which is why I'm real dumb. How am I still in your life? I correct you all the time. You won't leave. No, I like being corrected. So if you guys want to correct me, message us. Sure. We'll take it. Nuclear UFO incursions. That's what we're talking about today.

Travis 2:29

Correct a mundo. We watched a handful of videos and podcasts. It's out there. We watched it or listened to it. Maybe not in its entirety, but we acknowledge it existed with our ears.

From Mystery Spheres To Nukes

Josh 2:41

Yeah, we get it. There's some weird stuff going on. We get it. Let's dive into it. I wouldn't say we're gonna dive. What are you afraid of? Well, why are you afraid to just get into it? No, we're gonna walk up to our nipples. I don't want it to hit my armpits. It's gonna be too uncomfy. Up to my neck. Oh, geez. You're braver than I am.

Travis 2:58

I'm very brave. You are so brave. I know. That's what everybody keeps telling me. But I'm like, and smart and handsome. And they're like, uh let's stick with brave. We'll start with brave. How about that?

Josh 3:11

Yeah. So when you think about where you'd expect to see UFOs, you'd probably picture the ocean or maybe a remote desert or a place where military tests new gadgets, right? The sky, maybe? Well, I mean, they're gonna be in the sky most of the time. Yeah. If you're gonna say ocean. But when you think of like location-wise where they're gonna be. The sky is a location. There's one kind of place they absolutely shouldn't be, and that's near nuclear power plants and our weapon sites. Or kids. Or kids. Protect the children. So our nuclear power plants and our weapon sites are spots where everything is designed to be fail-safe, built to handle a war, sabotage, and withstand any human mistakes. Yet for decades, there's been a strange, persistent pattern all over the world. UAPs and UFOs keep popping up near nuclear missile silos, weapon storage facilities, and research labs. Sometimes people just spot them, other times they are actively tracked on radar. And every so often their appearance coincides with equipment mysteriously failing, and we can do nothing to stop them showing up. The people reporting these incidents are highly credible military personnel, missile launch officers, security guards, radar operators, and engineers. Their entire job is to know what's in the sky and to identify any threat. So why are these UFOs so consistently drawn to our most powerful and destructive technology? Whatever they are, are they just watching us, trying to send a warning, actively causing trouble, or simply just flying through? What do you think? I right off the top. What do you think? I think they're watching us. I don't think they're trying to cause trouble. You don't think they're flexing?

Travis 4:53

I mean, maybe a little bit, but I mean, wouldn't you if you had that kind of tech? I flex all the time. Yeah. Like my giant muscles? Yeah. I'm always flexing. I do that that move that like Hulk Hogan does, or more like Macho Man Randy Savage. It looks like a dab. Yeah, I do see you do that a lot. I'm gonna do it right now. Oh, your shirt just ripped. I know. Uh uh. That's crazy. Good thing this is an audio podcast. Would have made all the viewers pregnant. Oh well, I uh I screen captured it.

Josh 5:21

So oh boy. Get ready. So what do you think? Do you think they're causing trouble, just passing through? I mean, obviously some of them are not passing through because they're sticking around.

Why Nuclear Sites Attract UAPs

Travis 5:34

Sticking around. Like the clowns from Killer Clowns from Outer Space. They might just be passing through. They're just stopping at Earth for a little snack. Recharge, keep going. Who knows how long they've they've got to go? Yeah, this could be a tourist stop. Or just the last place to fill up before a lot of nothing. Yeah, they fill up on the blood, the nukes. Oh, jeez. Uh, you turn it into uh cotton candy, yeah, like cover clowns. No one's seen that movie. Hit us up in the comments if you've seen that movie. It defined my whole idea of what an alien is. Your whole clown identity. And my clown identity, yep. Yeah. Let's talk about the Cold War. Let's do some history, okay? Yeah. So during the Cold War, nuclear weapons weren't just powerful, they were the key to national survival. Both the US and the Soviet Union banked on mutually assured destruction using their intercontinental ballistic missiles or ICBMs. The concept was straightforward. If one side fired, the other would always be able to hit back. I don't know if you remember that, Josh, but like that was a you know pretty scary time. Cold War. Yeah, I was not around. 80s.

Josh 6:39

Yeah.

Travis 6:39

All right, but the whole idea falls apart if your missile systems aren't reliable, secure, and totally under human control, right? So this mutually assured destruction idea, which I don't know, it's like a suicide pact we had with them. Like, if you got if you fire at us, we'll fire back at you and we'll all die. So that's somehow going to keep the peace. You hit me, we hit you. Yeah, and so like you had to make sure that your shit was tight, right? Or else it was just uh the promise and you couldn't back it up.

Josh 7:05

Right.

Travis 7:06

This whole thing just it's it's it's a wild idea. Anyway, so missile launch facilities were built to be tough, able to survive natural disasters, power outages, sabotage, and even a nearby nuclear blast. They were heavily protected, isolated, buried deep underground, and run by super strict rules. Any weird, unexplained hiccup was a direct threat to global stability.

Josh 7:26

Yeah.

Travis 7:26

So when strange objects started showing up near these sites and the systems start acting wonky, the stakes are way higher than just a little mystery.

Josh 7:35

I mean, if they can withstand disasters, power outages, sabotage, and a nuclear blast. Yeah.

Travis 7:42

Imagine like an EMP hitting near one of these sites launched by Russia or the United States, and then immediately after a nuclear launch. It'd be pretty scary.

Josh 7:53

Yeah. So one of the first events when it comes to the alien UFO and nuclear bases was how do you say this? Mino? Mineot. Is it my not? You punkin' me? You make me look dumb? Did you call me punking?

Travis 8:07

Uh maybe. Uh uh. 90% sure it's my not. All right. So one of the first Hey, Josh. What? Don't ever fucking call me out again. All right, sorry.

Josh 8:18

So one of the first times a UFO showed up near a nuke site was back in August 1966 at my not Air Force Base in North Dakota. My not had Minutemen 1 missiles.

Travis 8:29

That's a bit of a tongue twister if you get caught up in it.

Josh 8:31

My Not had Minutemen 1 missiles. My lips are tingling. Yeah. So the heavy hitters of the U.S. nuclear arsenal, that's what these missiles were. Later on, Robert Sallas, who used to be an Air Force captain, said an unidentified object was just hovering over the missile silos there. What makes my not a big deal isn't that it was a huge dramatic news story. It wasn't. The important part is that it started a trend. Weird stuff flying around right over our active nuclear missile launch sites. Weird stuff, wrong place. At the time, this incident totally flew under the radar, but it ended up being a classic early example of something that would keep happening at other missile bases.

Travis 9:11

Uh-oh. Other missile bases? That sounds bad. Yeah. So, Josh, as I so eloquently alluded to, there are other missile bases. Air Force bases. I I I alluded to that. Uh, so Malmstrom Air Force Base in 1967. That's where we're at. Get that in your head.

Josh 9:32

I'm there.

Travis 9:33

So if Minaut was a warning sign, Malmstrom was a full-blown alarm. On the morning of March 16, 1967, missile crews at Malmstrom Air Force Base in Montana were sitting in their underground launch control facilities. They were in charge of Minutemen 1 missiles scattered across several launch sites. Security guards above ground started reporting weird lights in the sky. Soon after, a guard at the Oscar flight launch facility reported a glowing red thing hovering right outside the front gate. He was clearly freaked out and had ordered other guards outside with their guns ready. Okay? Tighten up. Yeah. That's what he's saying. Tighten up, get out there. While this was being reported below, something totally unexpected happened. The missiles started failing.

Josh 10:19

Now what you want? If I was in the room, that's what sound I would make. Yeah, that's what I would do.

Cold War Stakes And Fail Safes

Travis 10:28

One after another, their guidance and control systems flipped to a no-go status, meaning the missiles couldn't be launched. At Oscar Flight, six-state missiles went dead almost instantly. Jeez. Then word came from the command post the same thing had happened at Echo Flight, a completely separate missile squadron, about 50 to 60 miles away. All ten of their missiles were down. Security and maintenance teams at Echo Flight also reported seeing unknown objects floating right over the missile silos. In total, up to 20 nuclear missiles were suddenly knocked out of commission. 20.

Josh 11:02

Yeah, that's a ridiculous amount, especially hearing some of these guys talk, saying that rarely one would have some kind of weird thing, but it wasn't disastrous like this. 20. Having almost all of them.

Travis 11:17

Well, a lot of them. A lot of them, yeah. A lot. I'm sure there's way more than 20. If you're going to have like mutually assured destruction, you're gonna need well they were spread all around. Yeah, but like in this in this one place, sure. 20 missiles, though, nuclear missiles. Keep that in mind. These are powerful that could destroy continents. Yeah, it would destroy my incontinence. I'd be crapping my pants. And no one would even notice because they'd be too freaked out.

Josh 11:42

They would well, and the yeah. Is poop that powerful that it could overcome like if you farted really loud and this is happening, would everyone stop and be like, oh, someone just farted?

Travis 11:53

And momentarily forget And then then make fun of you. They'd be like, haha, you farted. Yeah. This terrible thing has happened and you lost control of your butt. What an idiot.

Josh 12:02

I feel dumb making a podcast and talking about farts. So let's move on. What? This is like what I brought it up and now I'm ending it.

Travis 12:11

Okay. So they looked into power surges, weather and known technical problems, but ruled them all out. Strategic Air Command sent messages expressing grave concern over the mysterious loss of missile capability. Grave concern seems like an understatement. Well, I mean, grave, like dead. That's pretty good. I think.

Josh 12:30

I mean, beyond grave concern is what I would have said.

Travis 12:33

Yeah. And then just as quickly as it started, the investigation stopped. Missile officers had to sign non-disclosure agreements. No final engineering report was ever written. No follow-up debriefings were held. The crews involved were never told what caused the shutdowns. Whatever went down that morning was serious enough to alarm Top Brass, but sensitive enough to totally disappear. That's weird. Hopefully they got the guy that crapped his pants. Oh, I'm sure. Hopefully that was included in what disappeared. That's all that is reported on. Yeah. That's it. You can talk about the guy that pooped his pants. Yeah, they're like, but why did he poop his pants? Like, well, we can't talk about that. And we're like, he just did it. It was weird. He just pooped his pants in like the middle of what, the day?

Josh 13:14

Yeah. Yep. I mean, so obviously, I mean, I don't know if it's obvious, but it seems as though there was something known. So the investigation stops immediately. They had to sign non-disclosures. It seems as though it was shut down quick, which makes me think someone wanted something silenced.

Travis 13:32

We want to control all of the information that's out there, right?

Josh 13:36

Yeah.

Travis 13:36

And the best way to do that is just to stop it.

Josh 13:38

Yeah. That's what I do. Yeah. That's why I don't let my kids talk.

Travis 13:42

Because I know once they do, I know I've never I've never heard your kids talk ever.

Josh 13:47

Yeah, I tell them not to.

Travis 13:48

They're very well behaved.

Josh 13:49

I said, Travis is coming over.

Travis 13:51

Don't you dare say a word. Children can be seen, but not heard.

Josh 13:55

Mm-hmm. And they know that. Uh-huh. So that was the US side. Now we're going to get to the Soviet side, the Ukrainian SSR. So on October 4th, 1982, military folks across several Soviet units in what is now Ukraine reported some seriously strange stuff in the sky for hours. Officers of all ranks talked about glowing objects, formations of lights, things changing shape, and even their vehicles acting up like their steering wheels vibrating. So at 9 37 p.m., Major Katzman, who commanded military comms equipment, logged a pretty big deal. He documented that all the displays on a comms machine designated, I don't know what that is. What's that? Backwards E?

Travis 14:41

Designated A redacted. Just beep beep it out, Josh.

Josh 14:45

Um, okay. Designated suddenly lit up for no reason. Control codes started popping up without anyone touching the controls, suggesting that a huge electrical jolt had messed with the system. Years later, investigative journalist George Knapp claimed that those who gave him the Soviet documents he got a hold of described an even scarier situation. And we know that George Knapp got these documents and brought them to the United States in the last congressional hearing, the 2025 hearing. I don't know if that was news before, if anyone knew that, but that was a surprise to me. It's like, oh, not only is he handsome and cool, but he's also a badass.

Travis 15:25

This was like, what, during perestroika as the Soviet Union was falling apart.

Josh 15:30

Right. There was this weird little gap, and he he describes it really well. We'll drop a video where he describes that in the show notes. But yeah, there's this little gap of time where he felt it was safe enough to go over there, and there was kind of a short release of all government information.

Travis 15:47

Right. Well, he was communicating with uh some Russian agents over there back and forth, and it wasn't like he just showed up, was like, Oh, I see an opportune time. Like he was very safe about it. And he he was told, okay, if you want to come over, they're being very they're trying to be as transparent about what they have as possible. This is really the best, maybe the only time for you to come over. And so he's like, Okay, I'm on my way.

Minot 1966 Sets The Pattern

Josh 16:10

Yeah, and he didn't really even know what he had because he said he can't read Russian, so he he didn't really know what he had until he got it translated, which is crazy. So he got a hold of these. The people that gave them to him described something even scarier. Launch control systems at a Soviet ICBM base allegedly started activating, not shutting down like ours, but turning on. And the crew couldn't shut them down until the unidentified objects flew away. So, no matter which way you look at it, a nuclear-armed country was experiencing a bizarre technological interference at a moment when a simple mix-up could have set off a global disaster. Because if they accidentally shot theirs or something happened with us, like right when we shot ours off, they would retaliate. Yep. And vice versa.

Travis 16:55

Ugh. Yeah, it was almost like uh, what do they call it a dead man's trigger? You have somebody who holds their finger down on a bomb, and as soon as they die or get shot, their finger gets released, and then that blows up or sets the bomb off. That's basically what this is. As soon as a launch was set here, it would immediately get set over there, and vice versa.

Josh 17:13

That's wild though, that it turned on, like it activated. Like because when I think of, I mean, I'm it's probably fake, but when I think of a nuclear site, I think of like the two keys, you have to flip the lid, put the two keys on.

Travis 17:25

They're like on the opposite side of a room, so it can't be one person. Yep, even if one person has two keys, right? They can't physically do that.

Josh 17:34

And I don't know if that's accurate. I think most people have not seen inside a nuclear site. But something being activated, that would be way scarier than it's shutting down. Which shutting down would be scary too. Yeah. Man, spooky. And we wouldn't have this information if it wasn't for George Knamp.

Travis 17:51

GK. Yeah. So in the 2000s and 2010s, UAP encounters increasingly involved advanced aircraft, restricted training ranges, and naval strike groups. And while missiles weren't shutting down, the pattern of intrusion into sensitive airspace continued, but this time with coordinated drones. So since 2018, Los Alamos National Laboratory, one of the most critical nuclear weapons research facilities in the United States, has dealt with persistent unauthorized aerial incursions and has publicly acknowledged detecting drones repeatedly entering its restricted airspace. What? What? That's crazy. Do I need to read that again? That's wild. They have persistent unauthorized aerial incursions and the publicly acknowledged detecting drones repeatedly entering its restricted airspace. What? Yeah. What is going on over there?

Josh 18:42

I imagine some of it is just curious people like trying to get away with something. But I mean, those get shut down pretty quick. But I mean, some of these I think they're just they're not doing anything with it because they don't know what they are.

Travis 18:55

So the lab, Los Alamos National Lab, they use anti-drone tech and have federal permission to mess with, grab, or destroy any drones that look like a threat if they can do so. Yeah. And then what like if you show up and you're like, hey man, uh, I think I lost my drone over there. Come at drone back. It fell on your side of the fence. Can you just go and get it for me? Do you think they get arrested?

Josh 19:17

Yeah. Or fined. Probably, yeah.

Travis 19:19

So in December 2025, Los Alamos issued a public warning reminding drone operators that the airspace over the lab is protected and violations could result in severe penalties. Yeah. Don't do it. If you're thinking about doing it, don't. Do you think that stopped anybody from flying drones over there, though? They're just like, please don't do it. Yeah.

Josh 19:36

Don't don't look what we're doing.

Travis 19:38

Yeah.

Malmstrom Shutdown And The Cover Up

Josh 19:39

Um, I imagine the people that are gonna do it are just gonna do it.

Travis 19:44

Yep. Uh unexplained drone incursions like these haven't just popped up around sensitive military and nuclear adjacent sites in the US. They've been reported in other countries too, Josh.

Josh 19:54

Yeah, they have. It's been going on in the UK like crazy.

Travis 19:58

Hey, you're stepping on my part. Just take it easy. No, I'm just saying, I mean, that's been all over the news. Uh-huh. So, Josh, take the United Kingdom, for example.

SPEAKER_01 20:07

Mm-hmm.

Travis 20:08

The Ministry of Defense has openly acknowledged repeated drone swarms hovering over and near military bases, including spots linked to NATO's nuclear work. We're talking multiple drones flying in coordinated, sometimes nighttime patterns, just hanging out in restricted airspace for long stretches. British officials had to admit publicly that they couldn't figure out who was flying the drones or where they were coming from. France, Belgium, Sweden, Denmark, and Norway have all seen similar activity. Drones have been spotted over nuclear power plants and military facilities in numerous cases, and these flyovers kept happening even after security was ramped up. Even civilian life got messed up, with major airports having to shut down because of the incursions. I mean, that happened with New Jersey. Yeah, when all those drones just showed up there and they're like, well, good thing we have Jersey shore guys here to throw their gold chains at it.

Josh 20:59

Yeah. No, I I mean it's drones the size of cars, pyramid shapes. I I mean all these weird things happening, and it feels like it just kind of dropped. And the governments in France, Belgium, Sweden, Norway, United Kingdom, they're all doing similar things that the United States did. Like, yeah, we don't we don't know what it is, we don't know where they're coming from. It it just feels as though they do.

SPEAKER_01 21:22

Yeah.

Josh 21:23

And it's very, very odd, and they're not attacking it. If it was enemy, they would attack instantly. So they have to know that it is an enemy to not attack, right? Sure. I mean, if I was in power and there was alien crafts, I would not attack. I'm not gonna potentially start a war like a no, of course not an alien race.

Travis 21:48

Yeah, it's like you're not gonna go out in the woods and then see a bear, and you're just like, I'm gonna go and punch that thing in the face. Watch this dumb bear out in its woods. But the bear had lasers, yeah. But the Bear. I mean, but like the fighting strength of a bear, I think is comparable in this situation. Like the bear would just absolutely destroy you. Yes. Yeah, but then if you were out there with a gun and a bear, and then the bear suddenly had like laser eyes and bazooka paws. Yeah. And you're just like, uh oh, well, it's a war bear.

Josh 22:16

It just seems as though they're treating us like we're stupid. They're like, yeah, we don't know what it is.

Travis 22:20

We don't, we don't know. I don't know. Because I don't you say they like it's some big monolith, and I don't think it's that's the case. I think that some of this information is is there, and some some of these people probably don't know, and they're responding. I mean, this is controlled by so many different arms and agencies of the military.

Josh 22:36

Yeah.

Travis 22:37

Not everybody has access to all the information. And I think that that works in their favors if they have this department here that you know just focuses on water stuff, and this here that focuses on this or whatever, and then this is international. Yeah, it's it's too big. And then they don't talk to each other, then yeah, they can say, I don't know. It's plausible deniability. That's true. Okay, so all of these nuclear incursions, all these sightings around nuclear facilities, they all have a pattern. Multiple drones, coordinated movement, restricted or sensitive locations, and official acknowledgement paired with unresolved attributions. Ooh. Yeah, well, that's how it is. But here's the thing: these aren't the old Cold War stories about missiles going haywire or control panels lighting up on their own. Instead, they show something just as worrying. These things keep popping up in airspace where they really shouldn't be, like it's no big deal. Whatever these objects are, they're operating globally, across borders and across defense systems designed by entirely different nations. And no one is standing up to say, yes, this is ours.

Josh 23:40

Yeah, that's the weird part too. And if it is an enemy with better tech than us, why would they? I mean, a lot of these encounters are happening nightly. They can basically say, Oh, at this time, these things are gonna show up. An enemy is doing that, they're not gonna bring their tech and do that. You know, they're gonna do an in and out flyover, not be noticed. Sure. Because they don't want their tech to be taken and they want to be incognito, especially if they aren't announcing themselves.

Travis 24:09

I don't know that that's necessarily true. I don't think that they're all thinking, oh, something bad happens, they're gonna steal our tech. I think they're gonna show up here and think there's no way they're getting our fucking tech. We're so advanced, we can bring whatever the fuck we want. Yeah, they're not gonna do shit about it. Almost like do something, do something. I dare you. It's wild. I also don't like the word swarm. You don't? Like it just it's spooky, it's too buggy.

Josh 24:35

Yeah, it is, and it makes it sound like a lot, which there are a lot, and that it's true, it's really happening, is bizarre, and we're not doing anything about it. Seems like there's a lot of that lately. Yeah, just we have all this info and nothing's happening about it.

Travis 24:52

Yep, it's exactly it. No accountability whatsoever. Yep, and it's fucking bullshit. It is. It's fucking bullshit, dude.

Josh 24:59

Okay, so regardless of what or who is behind all these UAP sightings, they're not just random. They always seem to cluster around the same spots. Places tied to our nuclear missile silos, weapons labs, and all that energy and infrastructure. This goes back decades from Cold War stories about missiles shutting down to widespread drone incursions happening now. Something is definitely paying close attention. We just don't know who. Is it some secret government experiment? Foreign spy tech? Or is this the aliens?

Travis 25:32

Yeah, I said it here first. Uh oh, you did. You said it here first. The first time we've ever brought up aliens.

Josh 25:38

Yep.

Travis 25:38

Or foreign spy tech or government experiments. Holy shit.

Josh 25:43

Yeah, everyone's just asleep. I don't know why they're not talking about this. I hope the audience is prepared for it since you dropped it at the end. So, do you think that the nuclear sites are actually being targeted? Or do you think that they're just so heavily watched that weird activity can't be ignored?

Travis 26:00

I don't think it's targeted. I just think it's like I said earlier at the top of the show, that it's a flex. They're like, I can see you guys put a lot of time and effort into this. I'm not touching you. This is yeah, this is really powerful stuff, but like, look what we can do. We can we can fuck with it.

Josh 26:15

Well, and it could be that they are. I mean, I've heard the idea of they're keeping watch, making sure that we don't do something stupid.

SPEAKER_01 26:22

Yeah.

Josh 26:22

So I don't know if we did something stupid that they would intervene if that is the case. I just I don't know.

Travis 26:28

I guess it all depends on what something stupid looks like because we're not a threat really to anybody outside of our own little solar system, right? Right. It it'll take years and years and years for anything that we send here off planet to the outer edge of our just our immediate solar system. The universe is so much bigger than that.

Josh 26:46

Unless you know we are a big experiment and there's some big money in the alien cultures, it would be a bad investment if we killed ourselves.

Travis 26:56

Sure. It's just like uh the hunger games for aliens.

Josh 26:59

Yeah.

unknown 27:00

Yeah.

Travis 27:01

It's all being televised here, all this dumb bullshit.

SPEAKER_01 27:05

Mm-hmm.

Travis 27:05

You think they have like sponsored humans down here? Like, oh, this one's really gonna probably really gonna take off, and that's how we get billionaires.

Josh 27:13

Oh that would be interesting.

Travis 27:16

Because they're they're sponsored by aliens to succeed here. Think about it. Maybe, maybe. I'm just kidding, that's bullshit. I just totally made it up. I'm reading this book called Dungeon Crawler Carl, and that's basically the whole idea behind this is aliens coming in. If you're inside a building, then you're dead. The buildings all collapse. So if you're outside, you have now access to the dungeon, and you go down into the dungeon, and then it's just like damn, like dungeons and dragons type thing on the third floor. You gotta pick a class, and then that changes your body. It's pretty cool, it's really funny. It's good. I'm on the fifth book, it's fun.

Soviet Ukraine Activation Claims

Josh 27:51

I was wondering why you were okay with that idea because that was a stretch for me to say that, and you're just like, Oh, yeah, and then this and this. I was like, Oh shit.

Travis 28:00

Yeah, basically just ripping off a book. Well, you wouldn't be the first, like somebody else we covered.

Josh 28:06

Exactly. So I've mentioned that I think that this technology cannot exist with human, like this isn't human technology. You mentioned, like, oh, it absolutely could be. Do you still believe that? What are you talking about?

Travis 28:19

What couldn't be?

Josh 28:20

That these drones, these things that can zip in and out and go into restricted areas. Yeah, why not? Have you seen drone races before? Those things fucking cook. Yeah, but these are, I mean, these are things that aren't being picked up by radar and not being seen by our naked eye, or vice versa. We can see it, but it's not being picked up by radar. Some of those are zipping off into nowhere, they can go from zero to 10,000 and just gone.

Travis 28:47

10,000, nothing's going that fast. Yeah, no, nothing is going 10,000 miles an hour. No way. No, you've seen the videos. Some of these 10,000 miles an hour. Yeah, that's like four times the sound barrier. Yeah, and then they don't break the sound barrier. That's impossible.

Josh 29:05

No, if you have control over gravity or they're interdimensional, and then they have instantaneous acceleration. Like, there's all these. I mean, that's what's crazy. Like, I just don't think that that that humans have been able to get. I think we will at some point. So maybe these are future people. I don't know. I think why not? Why not?

Travis 29:23

There's a lot of wild ass shit happening out there. There is, who knows? And this could just be another one of those we're hiding all of our secrets just in case. I don't know, some country decides to get a little get a little wild, a little fast and loose with their own tech. So we want to make sure that they're fail-safes, like we talked about, set up.

Josh 29:42

Or we could just go crazy batshit and say, We're already getting that way. The earth that we know it is surrounded by an ice wall, and our planet is actually 400 times bigger than we were told, and we are sanctioned off.

Travis 29:57

That's not that's not I go down rabbit holes, man, online. Yeah, you sure do. There's no way that's not a thing. What I what I and even if it were, okay, fine. What up, you know, whatever. That's insane. But we have actual photographs of our earth, we've had people go into space and look at there's that's not a thing. That's not a thing. We're squashing that right now. But what I can't understand is that we live on a planet where we are so worried about what other people are going to do, like destroy us, and we're so focused on these weapons, how to hurt other people, instead of focusing on how to heal people. We have kids that die of cancer. Yeah, millions of kids that die of cancer every year, and we're not doing shit about it. We have adults that die of cancer. Cancer is like a thing that we could actually, you know, we have it within our power to treat, and instead we're not doing that. Yeah, one year of the military funding, we'd be able to something like solve that. Yes. I mean, we're spending trillions of dollars on the military, and we're not spending anything on people here that live. We have the town that I live in has a very serious unhoused population. And there a lot of them are veterans. These are people that have signed up and have been a part of that trillion dollar deal, you know, that we've all decided was okay that that deal to make, like we're gonna give the military all this money. And then as soon as they've served, they're like, I don't fucking care. I don't care who you are. Live on the street. What was your name again? Uh, who knows? Who cares? Who can remember?

Josh 31:20

Well, that's a huge problem with the veterans. I mean, it's it is it's huge.

Travis 31:24

Disgusting. Yeah. Anyway, that's my problem is we're putting the money in the wrong place, and we have been for a very long time. We're so worried about security and we forget about health. We forget about taking care of each other. You think aliens yes then? Well, I have always said aliens yes.

Josh 31:40

Do that, you think these are aliens, or do you think it's foreign spies?

Travis 31:43

No, I've always said that there's aliens. That was never in question. But this. This sure, why not? Whoa.

Josh 31:50

I I don't know. I really don't know if we're gonna do the aliens yes, but maybe no.

Travis 31:55

Yeah.

Josh 31:56

I just don't know. This, I don't, yeah, I don't know. Especially with drones, maybe some of those earlier ones. Yeah, I definitely think that it might be aliens, but some of these drone things, I didn't I just don't know. I mean, is a drone just what is a drone? A UFO, a UAP? Yeah, is that how they move? Just seems odd. Or is that just because the noise they make? Yeah, I I don't know. I definitely think it's bizarre. And kind of going off of what I was saying about, you know, why are we not attacking them? It makes sense that they don't want to cause an intergalactic war. Yeah. If it were an enemy, they would attack. If it was civilian, they would attack, unless it's their own, but I just they wouldn't do that to themselves, you know. And then some of these older ones, it's not that tech didn't exist at all in the 60s. Um, so I'm saying, like, I'm at 90% aliens that these are all not all, but these are alien incidents. Sure.

Travis 32:53

You're gonna be on a rare day. Sure. Fuck it. They're aliens.

Josh 32:57

I don't like how you said that.

Travis 32:58

I don't care. You got what you wanted. Yeah, but just accept it and let's move on. It doesn't have any zip. It's not satisfying, is it? No, it isn't. I don't like this. You wanted this big mind-blowing thing to have happened, and it was just like this and this is how it was always gonna happen, Josh. I'd just be like, Yep, okay. Damn it. That's how it was always gonna be.

Josh 33:18

Now I regret everything. Okay. Well, let us know what you guys think. Send us fan mail. We'll have the link in our show notes. Says text us. That's pretty huge. Tell your friends about us. Please, God. That's actually the best way you can support us, is just tell other people. Simple. We do have a fan mail.

Travis 33:38

Oh man, I had some I had something queued up just in case we didn't. So oh, did you?

Josh 33:43

Too bad. I guess I'll have to save it. Yeah, so if you guys want your fan mail or anything red, get a hold of us. We'll do it.

Travis 33:50

You don't want us to go off. Go off, Queens. Like I was about to, about some niche thing that we're interested in. But yeah, make sure you send in fan mail, or else we we'll do exactly that.

Josh 34:00

Yeah, we'll fill in the space with our own interests that are not alien related.

Travis 34:05

Yep. We have to pay for the space anyway. Yeah, we're gonna fill it up.

Josh 34:08

So this one says, still loving the show, guys. It's a lot of fun to listen. Who's this from? This is Jeremy. Fucking Corbell. Maybe. Maybe. Well, that it is now. Well, yeah, I'm gonna say yes. Okay, probably not, but yeah.

Travis 34:23

Jeremy Corbell, yes, but maybe no.

Josh 34:26

Maybe no. Yeah. Says, still loving the show, guys. It's a lot of fun to listen. You guys learn as the show goes on. I demand a deeper dive into Antarctica. Such a fun episode, and barely scratch the surface. Um I'd be done with that. Sure. Such a fun episode, and also just finished Inred Cold. Josh was lying. Mega is not, in fact, the highest fan on Crunchyroll. It's ultra or ultimate, but close enough. Keep up the good work, guys.

Travis 34:57

Well, he got you. So it is ultra. Thank you, Jeremy. Thank you. That's the tippy top. God, fine. I know we're not supposed to pick our favorite fans, but I think Jeremy's my favorite. Oh my god. Jeremy Corbell is your favorite. I called it first.

Josh 35:13

All right. Well, that just leaves us for our sneak peek baseline quiz for next week's topic.

unknown 35:23

Oh boy.

Travis 35:25

Oh, I don't have one. So I guess we don't do a quiz this week.

Josh 35:30

No, hold on. Oh, it sent. All right.

unknown 35:34

Shit.

Josh 35:35

Next week's topic.

Modern Drone Swarms Over Nuclear Sites

Travis 35:38

Oh shit. This is like uh this is fun. This is like the thing that like a lot of superhero movies end with like a big blue beam. Boiler alert. Project Blue Beam. Yeah. Blue beam.

Josh 35:50

This is the topic we're gonna be talking about next episode. I've heard of this name, Project Bluebeam. I don't know what it is. So yeah, we'll start the quiz. This is uh just so you guys know that we don't really know what we're talking about. We are truly learning as we are going on.

SPEAKER_01 36:09

Yeah.

Josh 36:10

So first question Who originally wrote of Project Bluebeam?

Travis 36:14

You're saying beam, right? Not bean.

Josh 36:17

Beam.

Travis 36:18

Beam.

Josh 36:18

Beam with an M. Does it sound like I'm saying bean?

Travis 36:22

Yeah.

Josh 36:22

Well, just imagine I'm saying beam.

Travis 36:26

Imagine? Just imagine. Every time Josh says fart sound, imagine he's saying beam.

Josh 36:32

Okay.

Travis 36:33

So who originally that is who originally wrote of Project Bluebeam? Imagine I'm saying beam. Oh my god.

Josh 36:41

Is it A Serge Monast? B Lou Elizondo. C Benjamin Franklin? Oh, I'd be so mad. Or D, Dr. Steven Greer. You'd be mad if Benjamin Franklin wrote about Project Bluebeam.

Travis 36:55

Yeah, I mean, obviously that's not the answer. Do you think Surge Manast is a real name? Or is that like she just typed in a bunch of letters randomly? Well, or it's just like if someone were to prank call you and ask for Surge Manast, it would be like, maybe I'm saying it wrong. Is it a prank name?

Josh 37:13

Like a Bart Simpson calling the bar.

Travis 37:15

Yeah, are listeners just losing their mind right now because they keep saying Surge Manast? Could be. I'm gonna say Dr. Steven Greer. Okay. That's gonna be my answer. What do you think? You know what I'm gonna say.

Josh 37:27

Surge menast.

unknown 37:29

Yeah.

Travis 37:30

Is that what you're gonna say? I wanna say uh my BF, Ben Franklin. Okay, but I'm gonna go surge manast. I'm doubling down. I hope we're pronouncing that incorrectly.

Josh 37:40

That'd be really funny. Okay, next one. Which two entities are at the helm of Project Bluebeam? A NATO and the IMF. Acronyms, man. B, NASA and the UN, C, the CIA and the Vatican. Whoa. Or D, the FBI and the MIB. Whoa. I have no idea. I don't even know what Project Blue Beam is. I'm gonna say the CIA and the Vatican. Are you do you truly think that, or are you just doing the craziest answer? Nope.

Travis 38:11

I I truly think that.

Josh 38:13

I am gonna do NASA and the UN. It's just a guess. All right, so next one. What is the goal of the project? Is it A to prepare people of Earth for alien visitors? B to overthrow the US government in favor of a military state. Uh-oh. Yeah. C to hybridize humans with extraterrestrial DNA. Or D to usher in a new world order. I don't know. I like to prepare people for Earth. That's what I'm gonna say. Yeah, I'm gonna say prepare people of Earth for alien visitors.

Travis 38:48

I just don't like the other ones. New World Order, it's bad. Yeah, the other ones are icky. Uh to hybridize us, I mean, that could be kind of cool, but like the process to get there would be pretty horrific, I think. Yeah, and I'd like to have a say in it. You know? I mean, that's how it starts, it's probably volunteer. And then when you don't get enough volunteers, then it becomes a draft, and then it's like lottery, and they call your name, and then you have to go and do it, jerk off into a cup or whatever. I don't like it. I'm sure that's all that's as invasive as it is, right? I don't know. That's all they want is just your DNA. They take some blood samples, you jerk off into a cup.

Josh 39:24

I was thinking just the water or spores, big spores flying around.

Travis 39:29

I don't know. Big spore, huh? It's always big spore and big pharma, always fucking it up.

Josh 39:33

Yep. All right, next one. Project Bluebeam is a fourfold mandate. Which of the following is not part of it? A abolition of traditional religions, b mandatory global cryptocurrency adoption. Oh boy. C destruction of national pride or D dissolution of the nuclear family.

Travis 39:56

Uh so we're picking which one is not. So all of okay. Which one is not part of this mandate?

Josh 40:03

Oh my gosh. So Project Bluebeam is not sounding very good so far. Real bad, don't do it. Yeah. Real bad, don't.

Travis 40:14

Uh, what is the what's the least I mean national pride? Sure, but is that hap- that's not happening right now? No, I don't manage I mean I think abolition. Okay, so which one is not part of it? Oh man, this is throwing me for uh I'm gonna say I'm gonna say destruction of national pride. I would say it's not part of it because I think that xenophobia is part of it. Yeah.

Josh 40:38

Um, I'm gonna say mandatory. No, I'm gonna say abolition of traditional religions. That's what I'm gonna say.

Travis 40:45

Okay.

Josh 40:46

You said the national pride?

Travis 40:47

Yeah, I'm gonna go with national pride.

Josh 40:49

Okay, next one. Phase one includes plans to a fake a worldwide pandemic, b, hijack TV and radio stations, C trigger earthquakes, or D, destroy the internet. Uh my jaw was wide open. Just like, um I'm gonna say I mean hijack TV and radio stations, uh Yeah, I'm gonna say that.

Travis 41:16

If you control the information, yeah. You can control the population.

Josh 41:21

Yeah, I'm gonna say that too. Man, this is I don't like it. I don't like it either. Okay. Next one. What does phase two, the big space show, mean? Oh my gosh. Is that a giant sky projections of religious figures? B a global satellite blackout, C, a fake Mars landing, or D drone choreography over military installations. I'm gonna say global satellite blackout. Okay, if this is a real thing, the other ones seem just silly.

Travis 41:54

What you know this the name of it seems silly. Like they named phase two the big space show. Come on, hey man, getting straight to the point. These guys need like a a PR company to help manage this. A creative department, yeah. The big space show. This is phase two, yeah. Yeah, I think it's gotta be something like baby steps. I'm gonna say we have seen a lot of drone choreography. That's starting to really take off, so I'm gonna say that.

Aliens Or Human Tech Debate

Josh 42:23

I'm thinking hijack TV radio station, you get your last broadcast, and then satellite blackout, no more media. That'd be crazy, yeah.

Travis 42:32

But this is phase two. Like, you don't want a satellite blockout that quick. I don't I don't know what's going on. You still want to be able to get that information out.

Josh 42:39

Yeah. All right. Next question. Phase three is about making people experience what? A sleep signal that makes everyone unconscious. So be a voice of God in their mind, see a universal language through consciousness, or D a mass memory wipe. Ugh, I don't like that. No, that's like Silo, the Apple TV show, yeah. Where they just like destroy all history and then they end up repeating it. But the people who's in charge have the history, they're prepared for what's happening. I don't, ooh. Um, I'm gonna say a mass memory wipe. Sounds like they're trying to control and change the future, and they want us to forget the past so that we don't question the present or future.

Travis 43:22

Yeah. Voice of God, no, that seems a step too far. I don't know what a sleep signal that makes everyone unconscious would do, unless you're just like, uh oh, we said too much, make everybody go to sleep. And then they wake up and they're like, see, it was all a dream. Like I could see that in a comedic way. You'd start to exposit a lot of information and then they're just like, Come on, fucking just hit the sleep button. Just come on, they don't need to hear this. Yeah. Um, I I think I'm gonna go with mass memory wipe, though, like you. Okay. That's a great way to control information.

Josh 43:51

Yes. Okay, last question. Phase four is described as a discovery of a fake deep ocean civilization.

Travis 44:00

Okay.

Josh 44:01

B blackmailing the world's most powerful people.

Travis 44:04

Okay.

Josh 44:04

C a migration into underground cities. Oh. Or D, a staged extraterrestrial invasion. Okay.

Travis 44:13

Migration and underground cities, it's happening earlier.

Josh 44:16

Hey, yeah. I'm going to say a staged extraterrestrial invasion. Because of the name of phase two, the big space show. Okay. I mean, if this has to deal with aliens, so far, a lot of these haven't been, at least my answers haven't been alien.

Travis 44:32

So yeah, that's what I'm going to say. Okay. I'm saying blackmailing the world's most powerful people, because again, it's information for me. Okay. So that's it.

Josh 44:40

We're going to now submit. Oh boy.

Travis 44:42

We're going to check our answers, view our accuracy. Oh well, the those that uh team travis know exactly what to expect on these quizzes.

Josh 44:51

I've already well I did not do well either. So who originally wrote of Project Bluebeam? I said Dr. Steven Greer. Yep. And it's my boy or girl Serge Manast. Surge Manast.

Travis 45:04

No idea who that is. Good for you. I'm not even gonna follow up how to correctly pronounce that name. I'm sorry to the real life Surge Manast, but it's just so much funnier to say it the way I say it. We'll have it correct next time. Oh, sure. I doubt that I will. Maybe we will say it correctly. Or I will. There might be some editing done on my part.

Josh 45:27

Okay. Next one. Which two entities are at the helm of Project Bluebeam? I said NASA and the UN. Oh, you got it right. I got it right. What'd you say?

Travis 45:35

The CIA and the Vatican. Yeah. Those Catholics always up to something. But it's usually ghosts.

Fan Mail And Project Blue Beam Tease

Josh 45:42

Okay, next one. What is the goal of the project? I said to prepare people of Earth for alien visitors. That is incorrect. What'd you say? Same thing. The correct answer is to usher in a new world order. Don't like it. So this is like Illuminati shit. Mm-hmm. All right, next one. Project Bluebeam is a fourfold mandate. Which of the following is not part of it? I said abolition of traditional religions. I said destruction of national pride. It was mandatory global cryptocurrency adoption. Which I've heard the Illuminati and New World Order is about one currency. So that would check out. All right, phase one includes plans to I said hijack TV and radio stations. I said the same thing. It's to trigger earthquakes. What? No idea why. Or how. Or why? Or why? That seems a little dangerous. Next one, what does phase two, the big space show, mean? I said a global satellite blackout. I said drone choreography over military installations. And it was giant sky projections of religious figures.

Travis 46:48

Um why is that not drone choreography? I've seen drones do Jesus. You're right.

Josh 46:55

But why I feel like if I saw that, be like, nah. Like I feel like that's a dumb thing to do. Yeah. Okay. Next one, phase three, is about making people experience what? I said a mass memory wipe.

Travis 47:10

Voice of yeah, I said mass memory wipe too.

Josh 47:13

Oh, that's wrong. A voice of God in their mind.

Travis 47:16

So this is turning out a lot more religious. Why not the Vatican then? That's wild. That the Vatican's not involved in this? Maybe they are. Maybe just secretly.

Josh 47:25

But not according to our quiz. We'll find out. I'm very curious about this. And then last question phase four is described as I said a staged extraterrestrial invasion. Yeah, you got it right.

Travis 47:36

That is correct. I said blackmailing the world's most powerful people. So boo earns. I got one right. What a letdown. Man, this is wild.

Josh 47:46

So back to that fourfold mandate, which is not part of it.

Travis 47:50

That means the I That means all the other things are part of it.

Josh 47:54

Yeah, I misunderstood that when I was going through. Yeah. So the dissolution of the nuclear family, destruction of national pride, and abolition of traditional religions. Those are part of it.

Travis 48:05

Part of it.

Josh 48:06

Um, and then they're gonna trigger earthquakes, have a giant sky projection of religious figures, have a voice of God in their mind, and then stage an extraterrestrial invasion. Surge monast, you dirty dog. Surge monast.

Travis 48:21

So next episode we are gonna talk about Project Bluebeam. I don't like it so far. No, this seems like one of the wilder topics we've covered on the show.

Josh 48:29

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I wonder if it's like a military project. Hopefully not. It sounds like a billionaire project to me. Yeah, it does. All right, well, tune in for this next episode. It is gonna be a ride. Yep. We want to thank our listeners, viewers like you.

Travis 48:48

Thank you for listening.

Josh 48:50

Listeners like you, not viewers. Yeah.

Travis 48:52

Are we the first person to say viewers like you? We should trademark that real quick before somebody else gets it.

Josh 48:57

Well, and when I was mentioning like the aliens, we should probably trademark that too.

Travis 49:02

Aliens, yeah.

Josh 49:03

Yeah. TM. We want to thank Jordan, our researcher, our quiz master. Yep, our graphic designer, our our AI, our real life person AI. Yeah. So thank you, Jordan. You've made this a very fun experience and made the show awesome. I think that's all we got. Nope. Yep, that's all I got. All right. Well, we will chat at you next time. Hey, bye. Bye.