Aliens? Yes! But Maybe No

The Ultimate Alien Species: Who Would Be the Last One Standing in a Cosmic Battle?

• Aliens? Yes! But Maybe No • Episode 26

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We're pitting 16 galactic alien species against each other! Why? To answer one of humanities core questions hiding inside all of us: Who would win in a fight?

Our researcher, Jordan, becomes our game-master/referee as we dive deep into each alien species lore before battling them against each other. 

We kick off with the Peacemakers; weighing the calm, multidimensional mastery of the Andromedans against the formidable Lyrans and Arcturians. Then the Ancients punch back: Draconians bring raw menace while The Watchers counter with strategic patience and mind games. And the Nommo get a participation trophy. In the Infiltrators bracket, Mantids show why they might be the most dangerous operators in the room. And the Wild Cards deliver pure nightmare fuel; from the spooky Shadow Beings to the biomechanical dread of the Negumok.

Is a hive mind a lethal advantage or a fatal flaw? Can you even beat a nonphysical entity? Is space-time manipulation just a cheat code? It's a clash of power vs. ethics, foresight vs. fear, and we learn something new with every knockout.

By the end, a champion stands and the path there says as much about our favorite human archetypes as it does about alien ones. If you love UFO mythology, smart speculative science, and listening to two people have a wildly weird and heated debate, this is the one. 

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Josh:

Aliens? Aliens. Yes. But maybe no. Welcome back to the show. This is Aliens, yes, but maybe no, Josh and Travis. I'm Travis. I'm Josh. And this is an otherworldly podcast as ambiguous as our title. So, Josh, before we get into the meat and potatoes of our show today, do you remember what we talked about last week? I do, do you? No. No idea. Classic Travis. Yes, it is. Colts. UFO cults. Colts. That's like a thing that I love so much. It is. I do. I love Colts. Yeah, we agreed that all the leaders are insane. I don't think we said that, but I think it was just common knowledge. I think it's a given. Yeah. So today we have a special episode. Oh, right. We're jumping right into it. But first, we'd like to thank our people. Okay. Our researcher. This feels like end of the show type stuff. What are we doing here? Oh. So today we have a special guest, right? Yeah, we do. You can say that she's always here. In spirit. Yes. But also we are podcasting from her house, from your house as well. Mm-hmm. We've never had a guest before, so we don't really know how to introduce a guest.

Jordan:

Yeah. I'm uh the researcher, the uh putter togetherer.

Josh:

You're like the ventriloquist to our dummies.

Jordan:

Yeah.

Josh:

You've heard about her, you love her, you've never heard her until now. That's not true. Because Jordan, you do host a number of feather podcasts.

Jordan:

Yeah, I do host a number of other podcasts, but none of them are as fun as this one.

Josh:

So I I I don't know what that says about your other podcasts, but we are idiots. Yeah. I think that's why it's fun for her. We are a bunch of ding dogs. Hmm. So today we brought Jordan on. We asked her, or she asked us, to be the referee on a Battle Aliens episode. So last week we introduced this episode as like talking about different species. Right. And we're gonna maybe get into some like the biology, physiology of these other aliens, which is gonna be kind of fun. You know, like it's categorized by somebody from Earth, so of course we like to categorize things, and instead we sagged we're going to pit alien species against other alien species. As humans would do. Yeah, like I mean, next year for the 250th anniversary of America, Trump is holding a cage match on the White House. On the White House lawn. So this is like in that same spirit, I guess, where we just want to see cool things fight. Like, okay, I see that you're very technologically advanced, but how would you handle a fistier face? Well, so we're doing a bracket of alien species. Uh-huh. Are we judging it on who can beat each other up? Because I was under the impression we were going which is the sexiest. Oh no. That's a completely different list. Oh. Well, I guess that's kind of a relief for me because I thought every single one was very sexy. We did talk very hard. I was like, we were gonna do like a kiss, merry, kill. Yeah. And Josh and I talked in our text group, we're like, well, fuck all of them. Like, of course. Why not? And then last minute, Jordan added some new ones and just stirred some things up inside me.

Jordan:

Yeah, I uh I sent you guys the list ahead of time and I was like, you know, if you want to prep, you can. If not, that's cool. And then something happened about 11:30 last night. I was like, you know what? Shame on you. And I'm gonna switch everything up and you're just gonna show up and not know what you're talking about. Fools.

Josh:

Yeah, and Travis, right before we started recording, said that he did a lot of research. I did like five pages of research. I've got two Google documents full of information, and I showed up today and I was like, fuck, I guess I just throw this all in the garbage.

Jordan:

Yeah, I had to take seas backsease some of my changes, but I think we're in a good spot now. So I'm sorry.

Josh:

I did no research and classic Josh. I feel like I'm already a winner. I feel like we're all winners just having you here, Josh. Thanks, God. We've needed that. Okay, so do you want to should we just get down to it? Yeah. Yeah, alien species. So before we get started, I want to tell you guys that I did write a song. Oh, that's right before this episode, and I just want to play it for you right now. Okay. I put a lot of work into it. As you will, I'm just blown away that you could do that. I didn't know. I knew you had dance moves, but that doesn't really translate to a podcast. Yeah.

Jordan:

But let me just tell listeners, you're an incredible dancer and they're really missing out. We may have to start doing a video format of this podcast.

Josh:

Thank you. You're welcome. You're welcome.

Jordan:

All right. So for our Battle Aliens bracket, we have 16 aliens facing off in four seeds. So the seeds are the peacemakers, then we have the ancients, the infiltrators, and the wild cards.

Josh:

Is this going to be available in our show notes so that people can see what our bracket was?

Jordan:

Yeah, we could absolutely include a link to the spreadsheet because it is a spreadsheet that I did a darn good job on. So I would be more than happy to share it with the world. It does.

Josh:

It looks real. It looks like imagine the best Final Four March Madness bracket you can. Multiply that by 100. Yep. So how many aliens are there? 69, which is really funny.

Jordan:

Nice.

Josh:

According to what's that guy's name? Uh Greer? Yeah. Dr. Stephen Greer. Yeah, he had categorized 69 species.

Jordan:

It's so weird because alien. Yeah, it depends on who you ask. Like some people will be like, there's 27 species, and then other people will be like, there's 127. And so you just so specific.

Josh:

It's very weird. Yeah. I don't understand how, unless you have definitive proof, you could come up with these absolute numbers. It's yeah. I just want to say that at the top of this, like looking at this, I think that it lacks imagination. Oh. Like all of these aliens, even the water ones, have like, at least if you look online, some of the images they are two legs, two arms, two eyes, two ears, two nostrils, two testicles, two ovaries, whatever, two ear holes. Did you go down a rabbit hole again? Uh a little bit, but that's fine. Like, that's part of what I bring to this podcast. Yeah. Thank you. I I feel like the universe is so broad and like our evolution here is so specific that like that doesn't necessarily mean that all these aliens would evolve to having two legs, two arms, two eyes, and whatever. Like, if a planet has like a very intense gravity, like more gravity than we have here, why don't we see like pancake-looking aliens? Like something that is like squished aliens, or like if it's a water base, why would they evolve to have legs, right?

Jordan:

Yeah.

Josh:

Yeah. They would look more like and we're we see or is their water the same as our water? Right, exactly. But we see that even here, like very evolved forms of life, like with cephalopods, octopus, squid, uh whales, very advanced. You can see like bones, you know, in some whale species, like because they went from water to land and came back to water. Yeah. But like cephalopods, octopus, they don't have any bones whatsoever. And it's like a gravity-light environment in the ocean. So why would you even have bones? Like sharks have cartilage, fish have cartilage, like you want a squishy structure so you can move around in this, you know, viscous environment. On the same topic, I also noticed that you brought uh some DD dice. I did today. I have no idea. I found this. I I'm not a DD person. Uh but why do you have the dye? I found it and I put it in my car. I thought maybe I need it. This is the first time I've ever pulled it out of my car. Interesting.

Jordan:

So if we need like a tiebreaker sort of situation.

Josh:

Sure. I don't, it's like uh it's like uh I don't even know how many sides it is. So you've mentioned DD, that it's too nerdy and you mentioned it a couple of times. Oh a lot. I bring it up. And then you just randomly find a piece to play the game. Point taken. Okay, Josh. Uh but I'm not a secret DD nerd. And then you've been carrying it around with you in my car. And you bring it. Yeah. And then you're saying that these aliens just don't do it for you. You need you need something deeper. You needed something a little more. Yeah. I think you need DD. Maybe I do. I need some D and D. Yeah. Okay. I did manual analog research. I looked up all these aliens and wrote down, I did like a pro com list based on their attributes or whatever. Okay. Bam. I got through about eight, though, the left side, and then the right side, I was just like, I got real lazy. And it was just a version that I got last week. So this isn't the most current version. So I got a little lazy and I was just like looking at the words. I was like, well, fucking gnomo. That's like a gnome, right? They're battling little green guys. I thought the same thing. Easily squishable. Done. So that's like I started to reason just based on names. Oh god. But I did plug it into AI. So I'm not going to give the AI answers till we're done because I just I want to see how you and I play out. But AI did give me this little preface, and I'm going to read that right now. Okay. The image you sent is a bracket for a cosmic showdown featuring various aliens categorized into the peacemakers, the ancients, the infiltrators, and wild cards. It's set up like a tournament bracket, since this is a fictional scenario and there's no objective way to determine the strength or abilities. I disagree with that. This is real. Well, it is real, Josh. It is absolutely real. Yeah. Since there's no objective way to determine the strength or abilities of these hypothetical alien races, any prediction would be purely speculative and based on common tropes or personal interpretations. However, if I were to make I, like AI, were to make a prediction based on some general themes often associated with these groups, here's how I might see it playing out with a focus on who I think would win in the end. Ooh. So pretty exciting. I'll read out the winners at the end of the show. Cool. That's exciting.

Jordan:

I love it.

Josh:

Yeah. Okay.

Jordan:

All right. Here we go. Our first face-off. We have Arcturians versus Andromedans. So Arcturians. The Arcturians are an advanced extraterrestrial race originating from the Arcturus star system, renowned for their intelligence, spiritual wisdom, and ability to heal instantly. They are often described as tall, slender beings with luminous pale blue to greenish skin and large, almond-shaped, dark eyes. And they communicate primarily through telepathy or channeling. As founding members of the Galactic Federation of Worlds, they are considered galactic mentors and guardians of higher consciousness, actively working to heal the earth, activate human DNA, whatever that means, and guide humanity's spiritual evolution towards higher dimensions.

Josh:

Okay, so in my notes, I have they are weak, thin-skinned, peaceful, helpful to other civilizations, short, and non-aggressive. What? That's what I that's what I have based on like the same thing. I was just summarizing it in buzzwords.

Jordan:

Alright, well, let's take a look at Andromedons. So the Andromedans, they are highly advanced, benevolent extraterrestrials believed to originate from the Andromeda galaxy, roughly 2.5 million light years from Earth, described as tall, graceful beings with blue-tinted or translucent skin and powerful telepathic abilities. They are considered part of an interstellar alliance focused on peace and spiritual evolution. Andromedans are said to possess technologies millions of years beyond human understanding, including light-based spacecraft and multidimensional travel. They are known for their deep commitment and non-interference, observing Earth's development while occasionally contacting select individuals to guide human consciousness.

Josh:

Okay. These are my heavies. Oh. These are the guys that I have we'll talk about it. These are my heavies. Are they really? Yeah. Holy shit. It's the multidimensional aspect. They have the ability to shape space-time. Yes. So there's like nothing they can't figure out. But because of the long lives that they live, 4,000 years. Yeah. They use that to enhance their spiritual knowledge, and they have all the power at their fingertips, but they choose not to use it for evil, for harm. So I mean, these two pitted together is really hard for me.

Jordan:

Is it? It doesn't sound like it is.

Josh:

For me, it's not. Arcturians are the same. The Andromedans and Arcturians, they both have that. Nope, because the Arcturians can't manipulate space-time. That wasn't my understanding. That was my understanding. And that is a fucking game changer. That's a fight ender. Like even if you lose a fight, you just go back in time and you learn what you need to to predict how you're going to beat them in the next fight, it's it's over. That was what I mean, some of the video that I watched on the Arcturians, that was what they were also known for is being able to dip into different dimensions. Because through like a millennia of meditation and perfectionism, that they've been able to perfect their craft of peacemaking, which is the category that we're in, and they are also healers on top of that. I look at Andromedans like I look at Doctor Who. Nothing can beat Doctor Who. He can manipulate space and time, and he might not kill you, but he will defeat you. I mean, not if you destroy his tech. Good luck trying to destroy that Sonic screwdriver. I didn't do as much research on the Andromedons as the Arcturians. But when I did the research on the Arcturians, I even told Jordan, like, these are my ride or dies. Arcturians are your ride or die. Andromedons are mine. And this is one. What is the rest of this episode gonna look like? It's gonna be a hot mess. I don't care. Oh my gosh.

Jordan:

This is like the scene in Devil Wears Prada where the girl is holding up the two belts and she's saying, I just can't decide. They're both so different, and they're almost exactly the same.

Josh:

Almost exactly the same.

Jordan:

This is how I feel right now.

Josh:

That's what's hard. I think that watching one YouTube video and making Narcturians my ride or die is silly, especially in this context because they're so similar. I can side with you. Okay, so Andromedans, for my notes, their pros are tall. The Hindu god Shiva is based on Andromedans. They're advanced technologically, which is like when I was doing my research, I was like, okay, every single one of these has advanced technology, so I was crossing that out, and that's how I eliminated some of these species. So it was just like, okay, a lot of these pros are repeated, so I'm just gonna cross those out, those bounds out for me. So I'm just looking at it as like a one side versus another. And again, this is subjective. This is my idea of who would win, but they have the ability to create wormholes and manipulate space-time. They have superhuman strength, speed, durability, telekinesis, invisibility, intangibility, which means you can see them, but you can't touch them. Their big con is they rely too much on their tech. Interesting. Okay. I'm okay doing Andromedans between those two.

Jordan:

If if that's your uh next up, we have the Pleiadians slash Nordics versus the Lyrians. So Pleiadians, they are often referred to as Nordics due to their tall, fair-skinned human-like appearance with blonde hair and blue eyes. They originate from the Pleiades star cluster and other distant systems. They are generally depicted as peaceful, spiritually advanced beings interested in humanity's well-being and evolution, frequently communicating through telepathy or channel. They are believed to have ancient ties to Earth's history, influencing civilizations and genetically seeding humanity, with many modern humans considered starseeds who've incarnated from their lineage to aid Earth's ascension. So those are the Pleiadians, very tall, blonde, Scandinavian-looking people.

Josh:

Really quick, though, on the starseed point. Have you guys taken the starseed test?

Jordan:

No, I have not.

Josh:

I've only done the Hogwarts test. So I've done the I've done the Hogwarts test. What are you? Ravenclaw. I'm Hufflepuff.

Jordan:

Of course he is.

Josh:

You are miscellaneous.

Jordan:

Yeah. He's a good finder.

Josh:

I'm a finder. Uh so my wife took it last night and I was tempted to take it. But it's like, what alien are you kind of the starseed? That's fun. Yeah. So maybe we should do that at the end of the show.

Jordan:

We should do that.

Josh:

Maybe off mic and then re like. Release it in a skiff. We'll do a Patreon, and that is all that you get.

Jordan:

It's just skiffs.

Josh:

Just little skiffs.

Jordan:

And another star seed that you could come across is the Lyrens. So Lyrens are revered as the first humanoid man beings of all galaxies, originating from the Lyra star system, specifically the planet Avion slash Agoria. Apparently the plant has two names, and are believed to have genetically seeded all humans on Earth. They are typically described as tall, slender humanoids, 10 to 12 feet. Jeez. With feline features like elongated ears and flat noses, known for their noble appearance, dynamic energy, and spiritual wisdom. Fleeing destructive Lyrian Orion wars, they dispersed across the galaxy.

Travis:

Star Wars?

Jordan:

Influencing many civilizations and genetically contributing to various starseed races, with some descendants evolving into the Androbidons and Arcturians. As founding members of the Galactic Federation of Worlds, Lyrians are seen as wise spiritual guides, and many modern humans are believed to be starseeds who carry their ancient genetic legacy and influence. So basically, just picture a lion's head on a human body.

Josh:

Yes. A Khajit in Skyrim. Yes. And that is my choice.

Jordan:

Just because of that.

Josh:

Because cats.

Jordan:

Because cats.

Josh:

Okay. I'm a catman. Okay.

Jordan:

It's either it's either cats or Scandinavians. So.

Josh:

Yeah. I heard that they were pacifists. And so, like. A cat could fuck you up. I know a cat can fuck you up. So in my notes, I had the Pleiades Nordics winning. But I'm not committed. But what I have is their strengths, Pleiadians are strong. They've got speed, stamina. They're invulnerable. And they have flight. And then advanced tech, which we're going to see throughout. They're vulnerable to stronger psionic attacks. They have atmospheric limitations, so like gravity, things like that that aren't really going to be good enough fight. This is the Pleiadians. Yeah. They're susceptible to magic. I mean, are we all? That's and that's what I have in my notes. It's like, well, what isn't? Yeah. Um, and they can't regenerate. So Lyrens have advanced tech, and then they were pacifists, and so I have the Pleiadians slash Nordics winning, but I do like the cat-like uh aspects of this. Yeah, I mean of the Lyrans. They're wise, they're ancient and they're snuggleable. Sure. I th that's not gonna do very good on the fight, though. Unless they're doing like the puss and boots thing where they look at you with their big soft eyes and that lures you in to get close enough to be stabbed or whatever. Just the claws and they have human hands. Do they? On that graphic they did.

Jordan:

On the AI-generated graphic.

Josh:

Yeah. So maybe AI has it wrong. Yeah. What about the fangs? Sure. And yeah, I mean, if they have I wouldn't want to fuck with somebody that has a lion hair.

Jordan:

Also, they're 10 to 12 feet tall. The Pleiadians are only six to seven feet tall.

Josh:

That's big. Yeah. I'm going with the cat people. Okay.

Jordan:

Alright. So now we have Andromedans versus Lyrens.

Josh:

Oh, we're going all the way. Okay. Andromedons are like, those are my guys. They can manipulate space-time. That is a game ender for everybody. Like they can go back and learn from a fight and figure out how to win. They could fight a thousand fights. Doesn't matter. They're like Doctor Strange, where they're calculating millions of things, sequences, and then they just go back and they fix it. The Andromedons are believed to have evolved from the Lyrians. So? Zeus has evolved from Kronos, man, and he killed the shit out of his dad. Such a good point. Your kids are gonna be stronger than you. If you're doing your job right, your kids are going to be smarter than you are. That's not how I raise my children. I purposely tell them the wrong information. That's like what evolution is. You want the next generation to be better than you. I know. Damn it. Really like the cats. Yeah. You also like the Arturians. Sorry, Josh. It's space-time, man. It's time travel. That's what we're talking about here. No, I know. If it's power, then the Andromedans have it.

Jordan:

All right.

Josh:

I agree. Okay.

Jordan:

So Andromedans win the peacemakers. Alright, let's move on to the ancients. First up, we have Anunnaki versus Draconians.

Josh:

Uh oh.

Jordan:

Alright. The Anunnaki. This is a race from the Sirius star system, and they're prominently associated with the celestial planet Nibiru, from which they are believed to have originated. They are famously credited with visiting Earth around 400,000 years ago to mine gold to save their dying planet, and are widely believed to have genetically engineered early humans by intermixing their DNA with primates. Described as humanoid and often taller than average, their appearance can include feline.

Josh:

Is it because they're hats?

Jordan:

You know, I don't know, but yeah, if you've ever seen like ancient Sumerian artwork, it's the guys that have like the curly beards and the tall hats and typically wings, like they're very often winged, but they have feline or reptilian traits, and figures like Enki and Ishtar are revered as master geneticists and technological innovators, and they are deeply entwined with Earth's ancient history, influencing civilizations like the Sumerians and Egyptians, while some Syrian factions are considered benevolent members of the Galactic Federation. So that's the Anunnaki. Let's move on to Draconians. So the Draconians are a reptoid alien species. They're ancient and powerful extraterrestrial race, predominantly originating from the Draco star system. They are commonly described as tall, scaly humanoids with reptilian features like large jaws, slit pupils, or wings. And they're known for their tyrannical and aggressive nature, and they are believed to have infiltrated and manipulated human societies and governments, engaging in activities such as genetic engineering, human trafficking, and fostering global chaos. They possess advanced technologies such as shape shifting, telepathy, interdimensional travel, and cloaking, and operate from extensive underground bases on Earth. So that's the Anunnaki and Draconians.

Josh:

Okay. So Draconians, like I grew up, they are featured very much in this fantasy series, the Dragonlands Chronic Chronicles by Margaret Weiss and Trace Aikman. They're like the bad guys. Okay. Or like the army of bad guys. They breathe fire, they spit acid, they can blow out ice, whatever, like cold breath. They're like lizard people. So I I mean they're pretty strong. I mean so I naturally align with all the peacemakers. So hearing draconians, they're the villains of space, it seems like. And I don't like that. Is villainy advantageous in a fight? And I think it is.

Jordan:

This is sounding very Hufflepuff of you, Josh.

Josh:

I know. Like you gotta think like who's going to win in a fight? Do you want somebody who's gonna come up and shake your hand and fight fair? Or do you want someone who's gonna spit in your face with acid and then kick you in the ding-dong? And that's what draconians are gonna do. Yeah, they like ding-dongs. They love a ding-dong. We're talking about the hostess treats. Yeah, that was where I was gone. I mean, the Anunnaki for Earth, they were very important. Yeah. They do have teleportation and telepathy, right? The Anunnaki? Uh huh. Yeah. It's pretty good. That is good. You can't hit a nut if they keep teleporting. That's right. They keep teleporting right behind. But if you hit them with acid or you blow fire at them. But what if I mean it feels like the Anunnaki would I can't say that. I was gonna say they'd have people backing them. Yeah. And the draconians probably wouldn't have that as much. They're kind of like the notes is like they are a very bureaucratic, rule-following group of aliens. So that's where they would come up and shake your hand and say, like, it's gonna be a fair fight. And we're like, this is a fucking cage match. There's no fairness in this whatsoever. If it comes down to like a fist fight, I think the draconians would win. Okay. I mean it's sad because I like this Anunnaki. That's fine. You can like them, but you can still like them. That doesn't take away from their nobility and who they are. We're talking about fucking cage fight. Okay, I'll go draconian. I just don't like them. They're evil. But yes, they are evil. They're the bad guys in this fantasy series. They're bad, but that makes them good in a fight. Because they don't give a shit. They're dirty. They're dirty. Okay.

Jordan:

Alright, so we've got the draconians winning against the Anunnaki. Next up, we have the Watchers versus Nomo. So the Watchers, they are towering, luminous extraterrestrials, often mistaken for angels in ancient texts like the Book of Enoch. Originally sent to observe humanity, some rebelled and shared forbidden knowledge, leading to the creation of hybrid offspring known as the Niflum. They're described as humanoid but distinctly unearthly, with glowing skin, radiant eyes, and sometimes energy-based wings or halos. Believed to possess advanced technology and telepathic abilities, the watchers may still monitor Earth during times of crisis. Modern theories connect them to the Anunnaki, Lyrans, or Breakaway Alien Council known for guiding or judging humanity. Next up we have Nomo. The Gnomo.

Josh:

Oh, these guys are worthless.

Jordan:

The Nomo are aquatic amphibious beings, originating from Sirius B and Sirius C, who later settled on the water world, Xalanthea, after fleeing the Orion Alliance. They are described as a towering seven to ten feet tall with iridescent, semi-translucent skin and melodic speech. Revered for their spiritual wisdom and advanced technological knowledge, they are known as masters of the waters and are deeply connected to the element of water. The gnomos had close relations with the Syrian leaders of Nibiru and are linked to Atlantis and mermaid myths, or as preservers or divine knowledge after planetary cataclysms. They are also credited with seeding Earth's dolphins and continue to protect ancient Atlantean knowledge from beneath the sea. So picture a fish head on a human body.

Josh:

So before this started, I was texting Josh about what sort of venue or arena are we going to be fighting in? It's going to be a water arena for this. The watchers aren't going to have the watchers are like fucking angels. Like they don't have birds. They have wings. Yeah, they can't. That's not going to do. I mean, some birds can swim really well though. No, for sure. Like they dive though. And a lot of birds do hunt fish. So that could be a pretty good fight. It would be a fascinating fight. It would be actually fascinating. But if they're like the the Nephilim, like that is a terrifying look. That's like the all-eyes, orby looking, like winged things that are so hor horrific that you can't even look at them. Well, and having telepathy, maybe they can predict where these fishmen are gonna be. So I look at Nomo the same way I look at like Aquaman. It's like the dumbest super like early Aquaman. I mean cartoon Aquaman. Yeah. Early comic like Silver Age, Golden Age, Aquaman. Okay. Where you're just like, okay, this isn't a fucking fish problem, so why are we even talking to you about this? Like ocean pollution, great, we'll talk to you about that. But now Aquaman in like newer iterations, he's as strong, if not stronger, than Superman. Because he has to fight underwater and whatever. Anyway, I look at the GNOME kind of like that. Yeah, it's like Aquaman versus Doctor Strange. Yes. Or like any other land based thing. So like We agree on the watchers. Yeah, we agree on watchers. So, like for I'm good with that. The nomos I have in my notes, strengths was water, cons were land. Yeah. I like the watchers a lot.

Jordan:

Actually, technically, wouldn't the watchers be land and air?

Josh:

Oh, that's true. Yeah. I mean, they've they dominate two of the three things that we see. And potentially diving down into water. So I guess this raises the question like, is this fight on Earth where we have those three venues? Water, earth, and air? Yeah. We didn't really talk about the venue, or is this going to be in like a white space where all things being even, you just come with whatever you have. The matrix white space. Yeah. Yeah. Like if you're a water person, then you swim through this white space and you have the same abilities that you would in the water. That's a good concept. Yeah, I think the watchers would win. I think the watchers would win.

Jordan:

Okay, so the watchers won against the Nomo. So how are the Watchers going to do against the Draconians?

Josh:

I feel like the Watchers have an ancient, deep knowledge. Okay. And I feel like the Draconians wouldn't want to fuck with them because the Watchers are kind of known as like the judgers of space and Draconians.

Jordan:

Almost like angels versus demons.

Josh:

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And the angels always win? Question mark. Okay, sure. I think that for me, like draconians are very battle-oriented. And I feel like the watchers, just like given the name, they are more observant. So they're going to watch how the draconians have progressed through this and maybe learn a little bit, where draconians are just like punch you in the ding-dong, spit fire in your face, I'm going to throw acid at your legs and try to freeze you. And the watchers are going to like try to plan against that. So I think the watchers. Draconians are going to pocket sand you. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the guy in Bloodsport that throws sand in Jean-Claude Van Damme's eyes and he's blind and he's just like, oh my God. That's draconians very much. Oh yeah. But I think the watchers would have seen that coming. Exactly. So I put watchers over draconians. I do too.

Jordan:

Wow, and a surprising upset.

Josh:

I also feel as though good always. Oh boy, here we go. Never mind. You may be insecure about it.

Jordan:

All right, we are moving on to the infiltrators. First up, we have the Grays. Everyone knows the Grays. The Grays are the classic alien, originating from star systems like Zeta Reticulli or the Orion constellation. They are possibly cloned, synthetic, or hive-minded, and are commonly depicted as having gray skin, large black eyes, and slender, elongated heads, ranging from small drone types to more intelligent, tall grays. They are primarily associated with abductions, medical experiments, and hybridization programs. Their motives often involved dominating and assimilating other species through genetic and psychological manipulation. The grays are believed to possess advanced interdimensional travel capabilities and often operate from secret underground bases on Earth, with some factions rumored to have treaties with human governments for technology exchange. And they are going up against the Ebans. Similar, but the same picture?

Josh:

They look the same. They're similar, but a little different. We're at the Is that racist to say same star system? It is a little bit like species, yes. Okay.

Jordan:

So here's where they're a little different. So the Ebens are an extraterrestrial species originating from Zeta reticuli, known for their role in an alleged exchange program with the U.S. government. They are described as small, brown, or gray-skinned beings with large black eyes, an advanced communal society based on peace, science, and telepathic communication. Ebens are said to live long lives and value order, cooperation, and emotional harmony with little focus on individualism. Their technology includes interstellar travel, biological engineering, and environmental control systems. Though elusive, they're often portrayed as benevolent observers and participants in Earth's alien contact history. So they're a little bit different. They're the same, but different.

Josh:

They're also like tricksters, right?

Jordan:

The Ebens?

Josh:

No, sorry, the Greys.

Jordan:

Yeah.

Josh:

So Greys, I was thinking about this. They're really popular.

Jordan:

Yeah.

Josh:

They're like the mugsy bugs of aliens. The little guys that could compete with the tall guys. Yeah, and the spudware. They're not the best. They're just real popular. Yeah. They're quick, they're talented in whatever they do. But they might have some shortcomings. They do. And I think the thing that pulls me away is the hive-like mindset. So I think that raises a good question when we're talking about these fights, right? Are we talking about one-on-one, alien versus alien? I hadn't thought of that. If the grays don't have an individual, if they are a hive that could give them the benefit of the doubt. Like one ant, sure, squish it. Mm-hmm. Easy. If you're pinned down on a mound of ants, it is good night to you. Yeah. What are the things in Gulver's Travels that took down Gulover? The little people? Liliputians. Liliputians? Yeah. Like little hive mind people. Okay. I haven't seen that in forever. Well, it's a book by uh Jonathan Swift. That's why I meant I haven't seen the book. I think there's a movie with Jack Black in it. There is. Yeah. I yeah, I mean the Hive, I don't know, but the Ebens, they also said that they don't really focus on individualism. So maybe that is not absolute controlled in a Hive mind. It would be potentially group versus group. But that's what I'm asking. Are we talking in this fight? In this particular fight, I think we would have to go group in group. So we're looking at like a hundred bears versus a thousand men type thing. Yeah. I'm gonna go with the Ebens. I'll go with the Ebens too. I don't really care for a little gray man. I just think they're a bunch of little shitheads. They're so popular that they kind of feel like sell-outs. They're popular. I I always picture them as like the guy that just pops up in the Jetsons. Yeah, I agree.

Jordan:

All right. Ebens. Now we're moving on to the mantids versus the tall whites. The mantids. Picture a tall humanoid praying mantis.

Josh:

Or like Zorak from Space Ghost Coast to Coast.

Jordan:

Yeah. So they are primarily associated with abductions and genetic experimentation, often acting as overseers or supervisors of smaller gray aliens, and are seen as cold, calculating, intelligent, and efficient. These beings can telepathically extract information from human minds, manipulate perception, and paralyze individuals. So while their exact origin is unknown, some accounts link them to the Draco Star System or the Sombrero Galaxy.

Josh:

Nice. It's like a hat.

Jordan:

And they are believed to occupy a high position in the alien hierarchy due to their advanced technology, including cloaking and mind control capabilities. Ancient civilizations worldwide, such as the Khoisin and early Egyptians, depicted mantis-headed figures suggesting a long historical presence or influence on Earth. So that's the mantids.

Josh:

Love them.

Jordan:

So they're going against the tall little butt weirdos.

Josh:

Yeah, they are.

Jordan:

And the tall whites are pretty much exactly what you would expect. They're similar to the Pleiadians or the Nordics, except their hair is like very white. They're seven to ten feet tall, pale-skinned humanoids with white blonde hair and blue eyes that can later turn pink, like a bunny. They are believed to originate from a hotter, larger planet where they live naturally underground and reportedly maintain hidden bases in Nevada and on the moon. Generally peaceful, their motives include diplomatic relations, observation, and technology exchange, allegedly having treaties with governments like the US for mutual benefit, though they are wary of humanity's developing psychic abilities. They possess advanced technologies for healing, energy manipulation, interdimensional travel, and can shape shift into human form, sometimes appearing as men in black.

Josh:

Ooh. Fuck these guys, because I do not like them. Every version that I've read, they seem very racist. Like they are I mean, with a name like that. I mean, well, we gave them that name too. I guess that's true. They're like, well, we're tall and we're white. Yeah, I wonder what all these aliens call themselves. Good question. Because like in some texts, it's not called Earth, it's called Gaia. Yeah. Just depends on the context. Mm-hmm. I mean, the mandates would win, right? 100%. I think mandates should win. Yeah. And they got that manager attitude. And like a band leader attitude where they're just like sassy and they're like giving space ghosts a bunch of shit. Well, they they're the ones that are often in the spacecrafts with the Grays. Yeah. They're managed. We saw the Astral Travel video. It was like mantids that were behind the keyboards. Yeah.

Jordan:

Yep.

Josh:

Mantids all the way. Mantids all the way.

Jordan:

So mantids win against tall whites. Now we're gonna pit the Ebens against the Mantids.

Josh:

I mean, I'm going mantids. I think mantids too. I like the little weird bug guys.

Jordan:

Yeah. I think that's probably pretty obvious. No upset there. All right, let's move on to the wild cards.

Josh:

Oh my goodness.

Jordan:

First up, this is my favorite category. Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. Okay. First up, we have little green men, which you may remember from the Kelly Hopkinsville encounter. Yeah. So little green men, small goblin-like extraterrestrials, where witnesses described glowing green creatures with large, pointy ears, oversized hands, and the ability to float or deflect. Like carnies. Like carnies. Although never definitively proven, the incident became one of the most publicized and influential UFO cases in American history, and their distinct appearance and eerie behavior helped shape the popular image of aliens in mid-20th century media, particularly in comic books, pulp fiction, and science fiction films. Over time, little green men became a blanket term for extraterrestrial beings in pop culture, despite actual witness descriptions often lacking the green skin.

Josh:

Hmm.

Jordan:

Alright. They are going against Negamoc.

Josh:

Yeah. Holy fuck. Yeah.

Jordan:

So if you have seen Independence Day, apparently the aliens in Independence Day were based on the Negamoc.

Josh:

Yeah, it looks exactly. But they are much smaller.

Jordan:

So the Negamock slash Independence Day.

Josh:

Oh yeah, no, this, yeah, in Independence Day, they're small. This one is huge. Or it's to scale, maybe everything around them is very tiny.

Jordan:

Okay, so the Negamoc slash Nomopo are highly advanced and enigmatic alien species, believed by some to originate from a deep aquatic or entirely non-terrestrial realm. Often described as having biomechanical exoskeletons with squid or cephalopod-like appearance, they are both telepathic and telekinetic, with an intense presence that overwhelms most human contactees. Unlike more benevolent species, the Negamog are considered a cosmic enigma, neither clearly hostile nor friendly, but operating with motives that are incomprehensible to human understanding. Some researchers suggest that they are ancient beings involved in maintaining galactic balance or safeguarding forbidden knowledge. Their infrequent appearances and overwhelming psychic energy have cemented them as one of the most unsettling and powerful species in alien lore. So these against the little green men.

Josh:

I mean, it's going to be the Negamok 100%. In my notes, though, uh, this is where my original bracket, I just got lazy and I was just like, uh, whatever it's called, Gnome.

Jordan:

Gnomopo is the other.

Josh:

I was like, well, they're fucking gnome, so they could be easily squished, like under a little green man. They're smaller than that. But now seeing this, I'm like, oh shit. It's nightmare fuel. I feel like if they didn't fuck with John Wick, everything would have been fine. Sure. He's a good guy. Yeah. But someone fucked with him. And I think if anyone fucks with these guys, they're dead. Just guaranteed. I don't know. Will Smith punches one in the face and says, Welcome to Earth, motherfucker. Yeah, but he was just an accident. No, they def I mean they defeated the ID4 aliens. Well, when he punched him in the face, it was right after the ship crashed. Yeah. He bested them in a sky battle, Josh. A sky battle. But it's also Will Smith. He's known for slapping people in the face. Yeah. Right. That's what he's known for now. That's what he's known for now. Yeah, sadly. Yeah, I'm going 100% with Negamock. Negamock. Yep.

Jordan:

All right. Now we have blue avians versus shadow beings. So blue avians, they're a higher-dimensional, bird-like extraterrestrial with tall, slender bodies and radiant blue feathers, often described as exuding calm and spiritual wisdom. They communicate exclusively through telepathy using complex thought forms and symbols to convey deep messages about peace, ascension, and unity. Believed to be part of a benevolent alliance known as a sphere-being alliance, they serve as guardians of cosmic balance and advisors to humanity during times of spiritual transition. Blue avians are said to have limited direct contact with Earth, appearing mainly to chosen individuals like whistleblowers or channelers to guide human evolution. Their image and teachings have had a significant influence on modern metaphysical circles where they are seen as symbols of higher consciousness and intergalactic harmony. Isn't that nice?

Josh:

It is nice.

Jordan:

All right, let's move on to shadow beings. Shadow beings on ham are described as dark humanoid silhouettes that lack distinct facial features and often appear as fleeting figures in peripheral vision. Unlike traditional extraterrestrials, they are thought to originate from interdimensional realms rather than physical space, existing just outside the visible spectrum of human perception. Encounters with shadow beings are often associated with sleep paralysis, fear, and a sense of malevolence, though their true intentions remain unclear. Some researchers theorize that there may be scouts, watchers, or psychic parasites that feed on emotional energy or study human behavior from beyond the veil. Their persistent presence in global folklore and modern paranormal reports has elevated them to a chilling icon of alien-like encounters that defy easy classification. So blue avians versus shadow beings.

Josh:

So blue avians, I don't know if you played Zelda, but there's like a group of people there called the Rito. That's kind of like if you were wanting to picture all my Zelda nerds out there, picture the Rito, that's kind of what the blue avians look like. They're like bird people. They walk on two legs, they don't have arms, they have wings, they flap around, live in aviaries. Yeah, blue avians. This is hard because shadow beings is there a physical form. Okay, so I am going to give you a devastating piece of information that might sway it to shadow people. Okay. If you are a bird person and you're flying in the air, what do you cast on the ground? A fucking giant shadow. Well, de yes, but also a giant shadow. Okay. So I think that will play into the shadow being's strengths. But do you think the shadow beings it's not like Peter Pan where the shadow beings are your shadow? It's I don't know what they are. They appear usually in peripherals. It's not like you're seeing your shadow. They are glimpses into another dimension. That doesn't change my argument.

Jordan:

Well, and there's a lot of reports of people seeing like Hat Man who is a shadow being.

Josh:

Oh yeah.

Jordan:

Yeah.

Josh:

But I just I don't think, from my knowledge, which I don't know a lot, I don't think shadow beings have hurt anyone. So Jordan, do you know?

Jordan:

I think that people have been like emotionally hurt or like traumatized from waking up. Because you hear all these sleep paralysis stories where people can't move and they see like a shadow thing over them. And who knows what they're doing. But if they're like energy vampires and they're stealing your energy, what if they just like zap the energy of like the blue avians?

Josh:

Or what if it's that they have cloaking but they can't cloak their shadow? Whoa. Yeah. Or they could uh scare the avians. I mean, birds are they get spooked. Yeah, flighty. Yeah, they are. So what's your final answer? Three, two, one, shadow beings. You didn't answer. I know, I'm a countdown. I know. It made me panic. Uh I'm gonna say shadow beings too, because I feel like the blue avians wouldn't be able to hurt them. That's okay. Yep. Right? Yeah, and if shadow beings can't be hurt, but maybe can hurt, even through trauma, I think that wins. Yeah. Well, that leads to this next battle.

Jordan:

Which is a little crazy. So that means that now we have Negumok versus the Shadow Beings.

Josh:

Oh my god. I think I have I think I have shadow beings going all the way.

Jordan:

Really? What?

Josh:

I don't think so. No.

Jordan:

That surprises me.

Josh:

Yeah. Well, I didn't have Negamok on my original bracket.

Jordan:

Yeah, this is a true wild card.

Josh:

I feel like the Negamock because they because Shadow Beings are like so ethereal and like weird, there's not a lot of information about them. So I defer to like them just winning. Well, and there's not a lot of information about the Negamock either.

Jordan:

Apparently, the Draconians are really fearful of the Negamock.

Josh:

Yeah, I mean So they're powerful. If the Shadow Beings are an energy-based between realms, the Negamok is known for having an energy that everything is afraid of. So it's potential that the shadow beings would be like, nope, not gonna fuck with that. And having telepathic and telekinetic abilities, if they're able to go through, I mean, if they have forbidden knowledge and they're able to use telekinetic abilities between different realms, that would be a game changer. So who do you have? Who do you have? Who's your guys? I'm going with the negumok. Okay. Versus shadow beings. Yes. Okay. 100%. I'm not 100% on shadow beings. I mean, if if we want, we can roll a dice, but I'm not that committed to shadow beings. I like the negumok. I think that they're very compelling and like they cast a striking image in AI. Like they are incredible to look at. And they're not aggressive, but they're not not aggressive. They're just kind of Oh man. I mean, if we're gonna like copy and paste onto the ID4 aliens, they're very aggressive. They blew up the fucking capital. There were people that were on top of a building welcoming them, and they shot a laser down and killed everybody. Like that is aggressive as fuck. That's as aggressive as it gets. That's that wasn't real. That's what none of these are real. That's the thing. Like, this is all science fiction. Oh my goodness. None of these are real. We are arguing over things that nobody can prove. This is all science fiction thought exercise. This took a dirty turn. No, it didn't. This took the exact turn that it was meant to take.

Jordan:

All right. So we're going negamock?

Josh:

Yeah. Yes.

Jordan:

Okay.

Josh:

I need to take a break. Do you? You got worked up? Oh man. Okay. All right, we're back. Uh, sorry about that. Uh Travis kept yelling and he started so worked up, and I feel like I misrepresented myself. Yeah, uh, we're gonna have to definitely find a different place to record. I had a chip for that. I tore almost the entire studio apart. Yeah. Bookshelves on the ground, cushions on the couch are upturned. I was upset. And I'm sorry, I apologize.

Jordan:

There's just feathers floating everywhere.

Josh:

Yeah, we're just kind of settling in the madness right now. Yeah. But we're in the final four now. Let's do it.

Jordan:

All right, so in our final four, we have Andromedons, the Watchers, Mantids, and Negamok. So, first up, let's pit the Andromedons and the Watchers against each other.

Josh:

Okay.

Jordan:

Do we need a refresh on these or are we good?

Josh:

I think we're good. Okay. I don't know. Listeners, what do you think? Wait in the comments. I mean, it's kind of the same thing, the Andromedons, but they're not work, dude. But that's the thing. I'm worried because they're not aggressive. They don't they they don't have to be aggressive to win. They got all their powers by not being aggressive. They used their energy to learn and hone their energy. I feel like if they got aggressive, they would lose some of their power. Go on. And they may not win. If they get so angry and their emotions and their frontal lobes take over that they may not be able to dip into the realm of time and space. They don't have to. I think the Andromedans are overpowered. I think Andromedans, for me, win it because of their ability to manipulate space and time. They can fight a thousand battles until it wins, and nobody knows that they lost 999 of those. All that we're concerned with is the one. And it also depends on how much they can time travel. You know, if they can do it a thousand times in a second, then yeah, they would win. If they know that your punch is coming. They they have wormhole power. The ability to manipulate the thing. Is that for them individually or their technology and their ships? I don't know. That's part of their their lore. What do you mean individually? Do they need a group of people? Can they phase individually in between realms? That's what I'm wondering. If they can just they can bend space and time to their will. What can the watchers do? I might need to refresh on the watchers. Watch. Learn. They can watch and learn, sure. But they're doing that in real time.

Jordan:

So the Watchers, they are the extraterrestrials that are often mistaken for angels in the book of Enoch. I feel like there wouldn't be a fight. They also have advanced technology and telepathic abilities. And it says that they may still monitor Earth during times of crisis, but I don't think that they really do much.

Josh:

So I don't think this would be a physical fight. I think this would be like a conversational or energy fight. And it would be probably the Andromedans that would win in that kind of fight. I feel like the Andromedans being able to live a very long time, being at peace to be able to control their energy and all that stuff. I think that they they won up in a conversation fight. They have peace on their side. They're fighting for peace. I mean, that's my fact. That's what we do here in America. Yeah, I don't think there's gonna be fists thrown in this. Wait, what? They're fighting for that's they're fighting for peace. Yeah. So you agree, but for different reasons? Or just all reasons? That's fine. I'll take it.

Jordan:

All right, Andromedans.

Josh:

Man.

Jordan:

Here's the mantids versus the Negumok.

Josh:

Now, this is where it gets really interesting.

Jordan:

Yeah.

Josh:

Oh yeah.

Jordan:

So we have the infiltrators versus the wild card.

Josh:

A bloodbath. This is gonna be a knockdown drag out fight. This is long. Yeah. Uh it's gonna get gross. What are you what are you thinking? I I for me, I mean thinking the negumoch. Okay. Just right off the bat, just gut instinct. But I mean I'm thinking huge manted. I'm thinking mantids just because like mantids are like the kings of the bug world. Well, that's the thing is bugs when it comes to like energy and they eat their own mates, like they don't fuck around. No, they don't. But if you look at any animal or insect or anything, there is a leader, there's a strong energy force. Like if a dog runs into a wolf, the dog is gonna know that that wolf is in charge. That's the alpha. And I feel like the negumok is the alpha in most scenarios, and mantids being insects, I think they're more susceptible to energy than some of these other things that maybe aren't something similar that we'd see on Earth.

Jordan:

They can also paralyze individuals.

Josh:

There you go, which is pretty cool. I think the mantids are pretty cool, man. Yeah, they I mean, absolutely. I'm not saying one is not cool. I'm just I'm just saying they're both cool. They're both cool. I think as far as like cutthroat ability and in a fight, I for me it's manted. I just go back to the John Wick thing. Like, if there's an assassin that's known for paralysis and they fuck with John Wick, John Wick's gonna kill him. Doesn't matter what techniques or advantages are oh I'm a sharpshooter, I'm a all these different things, you know.

Jordan:

Ooh, the negumock are also telekinetic. So does the mantid also paralyze like a telekinetic power?

Josh:

I guess it comes to a quick draw. The mantids are pretty fast, or praying mantises that we know of. So I mean, if the negumoc, I mean, because if they have telekinesis, they can move their enemy. Right. But if you're paralyzed, does that ability still exist? I don't I don't think so. Like when your body's asleep, does your mind still have capabilities? Yeah, I think it does. Look at Professor Xavier, he's paralyzed. Right, he's he's paralyzed. But he's still he still does his thing. He does. We got it. Okay. Uh yeah. Okay. So you are saying negamok. Negumock. Okay, that's fine.

Jordan:

All right. So for the ultimate title, we have Andromedons versus Negamok. This is the final battle, the final showdown.

Josh:

Okay, argue for your guys, Josh. My my guys are the Andromedons. This is wild because this would never happen. Maybe. This would you don't think this would ever happen? You don't think aliens put themselves in a bracket and fight to the death? Well, I know that to find the ultimate winner. But I'm saying these two coming together. Aliens uh reference the song. So the one thing that I think the Negamak have in their corner is ancient knowledge. Forbidden techniques, call it. I mean, the Andromedaans have ancient knowledge too. They live for 4,000 plus years. Maybe. What do you mean, maybe? We've talked about that throughout this whole show. What do you mean, maybe? They definitely have like my knowledge, but they are all about you just want the shirt. Argue for the shirt, Josh. Travis brought a shirt for the winner. The shirt as a prize. But he doesn't want the shirt, so I just want to get rid of a shirt. Doesn't even matter. I argue for my guys. I know in my heart the Andromedons are gonna win, but I will concede Negumok. I think when it comes to these two, the Negamok are superior. I think they have an ancient pre-Andromedons because Andromedans came from the Lyrians. So you are really hung up on their origin, and I will always say we create to make the next generation better. And that is the case with the Andromedans. They are so fucking overpowered as far as like skill set across all of these species because they can manipulate space-time. That is a like superpower. This would definitely be, I believe, a Superman versus Superman situation. If Superman could manipulate space-time, yes. So Superman versus Flash. If this Flash hits the speed force, sure. But Superman and Superman 2 flew backwards. He went so fast around the Earth, he spun the Earth backwards and brought Lois Lane back. So you're going with Andromeda. 100% Andromedons.

Jordan:

Like the Andromedons are kind of like Vision.

Josh:

Yeah, yeah. Or Martian Manhunter on the DC side, but Martian Manhunter couldn't manipulate space-time.

Jordan:

Who would the Negamok be?

Josh:

The ID4 guys. Magneto. Or like maybe a xenomorph. The telekinesis and mind control. Maybe, but Magneto is only manipulating metal. But this one can manipulate anything. Yes.

Jordan:

So it's kind of like physical manipulation versus time and space manipulation.

Josh:

And I think there's no contest. If you can manipulate time, that's it. Like you can move items around in a room, but if you can go back in time to remove those items from a room, that defeats the argument.

Jordan:

And you could do like the sneak attack thing to like shoot something through them, but the other person has precognition, right? So it's hard.

Josh:

I'm gonna say the Negamuk. I have a gut feeling, and that's that. Okay, you win the shirt. Well, you say Andromeda. I'd say Andromeda 100%. I don't think that there's any argument at all that can defeat the Andromedans because they're so overpowered. So But it for the winner is what you're saying. Or we roll a dice.

Jordan:

I was gonna say we go to a tiebreaker.

Josh:

We go to a tiebreaker, which is Jordan. Who's our referee? Who portrayed their side the best? Now keep in mind there's a shirt involved. I don't live in this house. I don't have to face any fallout from this decision. I'm just gonna be here probably the next week.

Jordan:

You know, I'm just gonna do this from a completely objective, unbiased position.

Josh:

Remember your roots.

Jordan:

I really think the Andromeda. Would win in that battle.

Josh:

I'm out. Okay. I'll be a good sport. I'll be a good sport. It's no feathers off my back. I got into the avians a little bit.

Jordan:

Maybe that's your star seed.

Josh:

I thought the Anunnaki were gonna be your guys, yeah. Because you talked about the Anunnaki from like the very first episode.

Jordan:

They're pretty cool.

Josh:

Yeah, they from what I know, they're pretty important.

Jordan:

So the Andromedons.

Josh:

Andromedons win it all.

Jordan:

Woo! Not gonna lie, I'm surprised.

Josh:

I felt like that's a personal victory for me.

Jordan:

Woo!

Josh:

Well, I'll give you one. Okay, so as promised. Yeah, what did AI come up with? That's interesting. What AI did really quick. It's probably the Negumak, just saying. Because this version is different. Left side of the bracket was the peacemaker. So AI has Arcturians versus Andromedans. They would lean towards more Arcturians, so Arcturians win that. I know, I know, right? Yeah. The Pleiadians slash Nordics versus the Lyrans. They have the Pleiadians winning. Wow. Okay. Under the peacemakers, Arcturians over the Pleiadians. Okay. So Arcturians win the peacemaker. The Ancients. Anunnaki versus Draconian. They have the Anunnaki winning. Interesting. Syrians versus Gnomos. They have the Syrians. They're frequently associated with advanced knowledge and ancient wisdom, making them strong contenders against the Gnomos. But we didn't have that. We had the Watchers. We switched it up. The ancients, they have the Anunnaki winning. I I want to say anything would beat the Noma. Yeah, the Nomos suck. They suck. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure they're great, but as far as like they're probably really cool guys. Yeah, they're probably cool. They're probably a really cool hang. Yeah. Ancient. Like Dolphin. I just want to fuck all the time. Maybe. Yeah, I think so. Water people are weird. But not that weird. Uh, but they have the Anunnaki winning over the Watchers. Um, left side, final would be Anunnaki over Arcturians. Wait. That's like the final on that side. So it's Anunnaki. The right side of the bracket. We have infiltrators. Originally we had Greys versus Reptilians. This one we have Greys versus the Ebans. This has the Reptilians winning. So that throws this bracket off. Yeah. Mantids versus tall whites. They have the tall whites winning. Whoa, interesting. I know that's wild. Infiltrator semifinal. Reptilians, they have over the tall whites. So reptilians winning there. Wild cards. That's little green men. We have Negamok here. Um, they have Little Green Men. What? I know it's wild. Blue avian versus shadow beings. They have the blue avians winning.

Jordan:

Interesting. Wow.

Josh:

The semifinal would be now between blue avians and little green men. They have blue avians winning. Oh. So it'd be blue avians versus reptilians. And they have reptilians winning.

Jordan:

Wow. Oh.

Josh:

So now we're at Anunnaki versus Reptilians.

Jordan:

Classic pairing.

Josh:

They have the Anunnaki winning overall.

Jordan:

Dang.

Josh:

Wow. That's very interesting. Wild.

Jordan:

Yeah.

Josh:

We were nothing near that, but I think ours is more accurate. I feel like ours was pretty good. Suck it, AI. Yeah. What do you know? Well, cool. This was super fun. This was fun. If you guys like this, let us know. Uh huh.

Jordan:

Tap the text show link in the show notes.

Josh:

Yep. It'd be nice to have like some of these images of like all the aliens in our show notes or like a link to all of the we'll have an image of all the aliens in the chapter markers of the episode.

Jordan:

So if you use a podcast player that shows chapter images, you can actually see each of the ones that we're discussing.

Josh:

Can we do the descriptions with them as well?

Jordan:

No.

Josh:

Sorry, guys. You'll just have to listen, I guess.

Jordan:

That's what the transcript's for.

Josh:

So we've had Jordan on our show. Jordan, is there anything you want to push or promote? Anything you want to talk about?

Jordan:

Nope.

Josh:

Anything that I'm doing in the house that is making you upset. Yeah.

Jordan:

Well, a couple things.

Josh:

Okay. Maybe, maybe that wasn't a good idea.

Jordan:

Yeah. No, thanks you guys for letting me do this with you. It was really fun to just play a game, basically, on a podcast episode and kind of introduce the alien species in a fun, gamified way. So I'm I'm super excited that we did this.

Josh:

Yeah, it's an easy way to learn. I'm gonna remember all of these now.

Jordan:

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Josh:

Well, cool. Well, we want to thank you in person too. Thank you. Thank you very much. Not in person a lot. You're the venturoquist to our dummies. Yeah. We wouldn't have been able to do this without you. I mean, we would. It would just suck. 100%. You'd be able to do it. We could. We can do anything. It would just be terrible. Yeah. Well, thank you. Jordan's gonna dip out.

Jordan:

Yep. I'm gonna send you the baseline quiz for the next episode. And I don't trust my face to not make any expressions while you're doing the quiz. So I gotta get out of here.

Josh:

I wish you would stick around because I need all the help I can get. I'm terrible at these quizzes.

Jordan:

It's a good one.

Josh:

Cool. I'm excited. Okay. All right. Thanks, Jordan. All right. So before we get to the quiz, I I want to say, Josh, let's put all of our beefs aside. I just want to say I love you very much. This has been a lot of fun. Yeah. I'm I have no beef. What are you talking about? There's no beef. Okay. Other than the beef sticks in my pocket. That being said, I did win. Yeah, no, I'm really proud of you. You needed a win. I did. I really needed it. So thank you. I'm happy for you. I'm happy for me too. Now onto the quiz. No, no. With that said, I want to say you brought a t-shirt at this recording. And last recording, you brought me a onesie pajama. Uh-huh. You keep bringing articles of clothing. I don't know what's going on. Reverse Dobby. You're freeing yourself by giving away clothes. By giving away clothes. Where Dobby is free by getting clothes. I'm freeing myself by giving them away. Wow. A lot of Harry Potter references in this. I know. I kind of feel bad about it. I don't know why I'm conferencing Harry Potter. I love Harry Potter. You would. Let's get to the quiz. I'm going to open it up. It is Valiant Thor. What the fuck is this? I have no idea. I like the idea of Valiant Thor. Yeah. Superhero? Yeah. Yeah. That sounds great. That's redundant. Like Thor is Valiant. This has to be another government project name, right? I would assume so. That seems like it's probably right. I want to meet the guy that names these. It's probably one guy. You think it's one guy? Oh, yeah. Kind of like the same person that's naming lupus medication, or it's just one man. Yeah. Okay, so I don't even know how to set this up. Let's just get into the quiz because I have no idea what this is. So the baseline is just Valiant Thor. That's all the information we have. Yeah. Our topic for next week. Okay, first question. Valiant Thor refers to a a secret NASA deep space mission, B an extraterrestrial visitor, C reverse engineered Soviet craft, or D, a secret US military intelligence program. Oh man. So maybe my gut was right, the intelligence program, but an extraterrestrial visitor would be really cool. That's what I'm gonna say because Thor is a singular character. Like naming it Thor, who is like you know, a Norse god of thunder. Hmm. Singular. Yeah. And Valiant. So maybe like a good visitor that they've met. I can track that. I'm gonna go with my gut and say military intelligence program. Military intelligence program. I'm gonna say extraterrestrial visitor. Okay. Next question. Where did the name Valiant Thor become public? A Project MK Ultra documents. B NASA's Voyager mission logs. C a book by Frank E. Strange. Strange? I don't know. Yeah. Or D, an NSA leak about cosmic surveillances. Okay. I don't think it's MK Ultra. MK Ultra is like. I don't know much about MK Ultra. They were trying to like unlock something in human beings, like trying to find a weapon that they could use that would make people like insane. It's essentially like how we got LSD now. Okay. I mean, this doesn't go with my thought. Man. I'm gonna say an NSA leak about cosmic surveillance. Okay. I don't have a path right now with my answer. I don't either. Um, I don't know who Frank E. Strange is or Strange, or but I'm gonna say, like, maybe it was a science fiction writer that just feels so in line with what we see with these programs. They come from the sci-fi world. So I'm gonna say maybe a book. Okay. I'm gonna be wrong. Yeah. I think we're both for being on board with that. No, I think we're both there. Okay, next question. Before the Earth mission, Valiant Thor lived and served on which celestial body. So maybe it was an alien? Maybe. So A Mars, B, Saturn's moon Titan, C, Venus, or D, Andromeda Station 5. Okay. I don't I have no idea. I don't know shit. This is wild. I don't know what's going on. Okay. I'm gonna say Saturn's moon Titan. Okay. I know there's been a lot of talk about the moons of our solar system and them being able to inhabit other life forms. I don't know if Saturn's moon Titan is one of those. I have no idea. I think Io on Jupiter has water on it or liquid underneath ice. This question makes me think that you were right on the first question, an extraterrestrial visitor. Maybe this could be the fucking gray of Jordan being a little trickster. It does seem tricky. It does. This whole thing seems tricky. I'm gonna say Venus for no reason. Okay. That's fine. I'm saying Saturn's moon titan for no reason. Which I know the Venusians are from Venus. Yeah, yeah. Great deduction skill. But that's all I know. Okay, next question. What event on Earth triggered increased extraterrestrial surveillance, according to Valiant Thor? What? A the development of nuclear weapons, B, the moon landing in 1969, C, beginning of global warming, or D the death of Christ. It might not be an extraterrestrial visitor. I know. Oh my gosh. Okay. I'm gonna say the moon landing. Okay. I'm gonna say A, the development of nuclear weapons because 44 is when we dropped the bomb. And that was around the time everything started getting wacky. Yep. Okay, next question. Which US president met with Valiant Thor in the Oval Office? Is it A, Franklin D. Roosevelt? B Harry S. Truman, C, Dwight D. Eisenhower, or D. John F. Kennedy? Okay, so Truman was the president after FDR. FDR was the president during World War II for the most part, but he died and then Harry Truman became president. I'm saying Harry Truman. Okay. I'm gonna say John F. Kennedy. That's why he was killed. Oh, okay. That's it. Strong take. Okay. Last question. What made Valiant Thor's clothing so remarkable to Pentagon scientists? So now it's wearing clothes. How can a secret US program wear clothes? I don't know. It's weird. I mean, I guess that's uniforms, right? Like maybe all scientists have to wear the same thing. Okay. Was it A? It was completely invisible. Oh shit. So this is like the king wears no clothes type thing where he's like, look at my cool new clothes, and they're like, oh my god, we can see your wiener. Yeah. Your hostess snack cake. So is it A, it was completely invisible. B, it could adapt to any climate. C, it healed the wear. Oh, that would be great. Or D, it was indestructible. Also great. What made Valiant Thor's clothing so remarkable to Pentagon scientists? I don't want to say it was invisible because that's an argument, right? Well, I'm wearing clothes. I'm like, no, I can see your fucking body. He's like, no, I'm seriously. What if it made the body invisible too? Well, that's not what this says. It's like if it made the body invisible, then it wouldn't be remarkable. I mean, it would be fucking incredibly remarkable. Yeah, awesome. On Mystery Man where the guy can be invisible only when no one's looking. Yeah, that's really funny. Uh, I'm gonna say it was indestructible. Okay, that's kind of where I'm at. All this is guessing. I have yeah, still really no since you said that, I want to say, because I think healed the wearer is a pretty remarkable thing. If you put on an article of clothing and you can just be healed, I think that's pretty cool. Yeah. Uh let's submit. We'll find out what we got, we'll view our accuracy. Oh boy. So I want to say I did okay. Valiant Thor refers to I said, a secret US military intelligence program. That is incorrect. It is an extraterrestrial visitor. Which is what I said. Plus one for Tribe One. Where did the name Valiant Thor become public? I said an essay lead about cosmic surveillance. And I said a book by Frank E. Stranges. And that was correct. Uh-huh. Before the Earth mission, Valiant Thor lived and served on which celestial body? I said Venus. I said Saturn's moon, Titan. I was wrong. And Venus was correct. That's exciting. What event on Earth triggered increased extraterrestrial surveillance according to Valiant Thor? I said the moon landing. I said development of nuclear weapons. I was right. Again? Holy shit. Now, this is where it turns very sour for me. Next one. Which US president met with Valiant Thor in the Oval Office? I said John F. Kennedy. I said Harry Struman. It was Eisenhower. Yeah, of course. And then what made Valiant Thor's clothing so remarkable to Pentagon scientists? I said it was indestructible. You said it healed the wear it was indestructible. Yeah. So I got two right. Got one, two, three right. Okay. So I'm the champion. Give me your shirt. I have no idea. So it sounds as though there was an alien visitor from Venus that the Pentagon was studying and met with a president. Or wasn't studying, but he just made himself aware of himself. That was not how I wanted that sentence to sandwich. Well, this is bonkers. It sounds like a 90s. Sounds like a rhythmic movie. Exactly, like a metacumans or uh X-Men situation. Where suddenly somebody from space comes here and is like, Well, I'm gonna be your cool protector now. Yeah, I'm stoked to hear about this. So that's what we're gonna be talking about next episode. Yep. Valiant Thor. Valiant Thor. This is something new we haven't done before. We really enjoy it. So we'll probably do it again at some point. Yeah. We were excited to introduce Jordan for Reelsies. Now we're gonna have to bring my wife on just for balance. Okay. Oh, are you afraid? Are you afraid to bring my wife on, Josh? No one's a big deal. I'm not afraid. Let us know, get a hold of us, give us comments and reviews. That just helps us, also validates us. I judge my self-worth based on how much interaction I get. Yeah. And it hasn't been good lately. If I don't like every one of your texts and Instagrams, then I get a message. Yep. A very hurtful one sometimes. That's me. Yeah. The emotional one. Yeah. If we're uh if we're a boy band. Yeah. Such a Hufflepuff. That's true. Well, cool. Thank you again for listening and have a great time. Until next time. Yep. I need my space. Bye.

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Travis Wright

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Jordan Blair

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