Aliens? Yes! But Maybe No
Welcome to Aliens? Yes! But Maybe No. Join us, Travis and Josh, as we dive headfirst into the strange, the unexplained, and the “probably not true, but what if?” of the universe. From the basics like the Roswell Incident (you know, the one that started it all) to wild fringe theories like the hollow moon (because, sure, why not?), we’re here to ask the big questions, share a few laughs, and figure out what we actually believe.
We’re not experts—we’re just two curious guys who want to know more about UFOs, UAPs, and alien lore. So whether you’re a hardcore believer, a total skeptic, or just here for the conspiracy popcorn, we’ve got something for everyone.
Aliens? Yes! But Maybe No
Rendlesham Forest UFO Incident: Is This the UK's Most Compelling UFO Case?
Is this the UK's version of the US's Roswell incident, or just a really intense light show courtesy of the Orford Ness Lighthouse?
We delve into the Rendlesham Forest Incident, a puzzling case of UFO sightings that left US Air Force personnel stationed at a joint RAF-US base utterly baffled.
Mysterious lights, strange indentations in the forest floor (possibly deer with very specific hoof patterns), and a binary code that allegedly leads to ancient sites around the world—the Rendlesham story is a labyrinth of conflicting testimonies and unexplained phenomena. Join Travis Wright and Josh Snodgrass as they navigate the facts, history, and lore as we exploring the accounts of those who were there.
Did they witness an extraterrestrial encounter, or was there a more terrestrial explanation? Listen in and decide for yourself.
aliens yes but maybe no. Well, welcome back to the show aliens, aliens.
Josh:Yes.
Travis:But maybe no, I'm Travis and I'm Josh. This is an otherworldly podcast, as ambiguous as our title. So Josh.
Josh:I missed you. Not you, Travis, I was talking to the listeners the audience, oh yeah.
Travis:Well, I missed you. I missed you every second that you were gone.
Josh:Josh, thank you so the last episode, we did a test about this episode, about this topic yeah, and we decided on rendless ham.
Travis:That was one of the pronunciations. That was my pronunciation. It's rendlesham forest, rendless, am I saying it right? And I think I remember you didn't get any questions, correct, my pronunciation it's Rendlesham Forest, rendlesham, am I saying it right? And I think I remember you didn't get any questions correct?
Josh:No, I think I got 100%. I can probably change that in editing.
Travis:If you're just dropping in to this episode, I got 100% on every quiz.
Josh:Wow, how convenient. Don't go back and listen, yeah, don't go back.
Travis:Just trust, yeah, don't go back, just trust, yeah, just believe me.
Josh:So yeah, today we're going to talk about the Rendlesham Forest Incident.
Travis:So where are we at geographically Like, where is this place?
Josh:This is in Suffolk, england, and it's a US Air Force station. Basically, it's a base.
Travis:Yeah, it's a US Air Force that is stationed at a Royal Air Force, which is the British version. Sounds cooler, yeah, raf. Raf yeah Sounds pretty cool, stationed at the RAF Woodbridge Base.
Josh:Yeah, and that base is right outside the Rendlesham Forest, and this incident happened the day after Christmas, december 26th, boxing day that you might say. Is that? Mm-hmm? It's the day after. That's fun, yeah, where everyone just goes around punching each other, uh-huh.
Travis:Yeah, fighting, yeah. So this is 1980. You weren't even a twinkle in your dad's eye or your mother's eye. I was just a little over a year old, really, huh.
Josh:I was just a little over a year old, really, huh yeah, I was born in 87.
Travis:79. Ooh, redact that. Bleep that out, josh. I don't want anybody to know any personal information about me. Since we started this podcast, I've been getting really paranoid.
Josh:I'll censor the century.
Travis:Okay, so they don't know, I'll just say 79.
Josh:I think you just said something 2079? You 2079.
Travis:I think you just said 2079. You could be from the future. We'll get more into that, maybe later in this podcast.
Josh:I think so. So yeah, some personnel at this Air Force base saw mysterious lights hovering above the forest. Sergeant Jim Penniston.
Travis:Some might pronounce it Penistown Some.
Josh:Me. So every time you hear that name, auto-correct in your head yeah, so, jim, I can't even say his name now jim penniston and airman john burroughs. They went out into the woods to investigate what was going on. The men encountered a triangular metallic craft with pulsating white light, about six to nine feet wide and resting on the forest floor. So they just walk in the forest and there's this ship. Yeah, that's kind of a small ship, six to nine feet.
Travis:Yeah, it's like the size of a really tall car.
Josh:This is six to nine feet wide.
Travis:That's still like. My car is probably nine feet and you drive a Fiat.
Josh:Yeah, a little tiny.
Travis:I'm giving away a lot of personal information. I drive a Fiat. You guys have never heard of it.
Josh:So I mean it's the size of a sedan, sure, basically. So, seeing that there were symbols that looked like hieroglyphs on the craft, penniston touched them and was blinded by light. When his vision returned, the craft lifted intoiston touched them and was blinded by light. When his vision returned, the craft lifted into the air, and he quickly wrote down as much as he could remember in his notebook. After examining the area and the indentations left in the ground from the landed craft, the two officers made their way back to the base. So what about the other officer? What was he doing? Well, this guy had passed out. Did he also pass out? I'm not, do you know? I don't.
Josh:I think one made it seem as though it was just seconds that passed and one it seemed as minutes had passed. So there was time lost for sure. Classic, yeah. And to their surprise, when they were heading back, they were met with a search party because they'd been out looking for them, because they were gone longer than they realized. I think they were gone for about 45 minutes instead of just a couple minutes. So at 4 am the police were called to the location, but they determined the lights were from the Bobbies. They're called Bobbies Lights Police. No, yeah.
Travis:They're called Bobbies. They're called Bobbies in the UK. That's fun, everyone else has fun words. They're very cute.
Josh:Yeah, but they determined the lights were from the Orford Nest Lighthouse, so that's an option. It could have been that.
Travis:Is Rendlesham near a body of water?
Josh:I don't know. I saw some images. It looked a couple miles out, okay, but light travels quick.
Travis:You might say I mean, it's not. I've seen faster, but it is up there. As far as speed's concerned, I'm just right below Cheetah.
Josh:Right below Cheetah close to light.
Travis:Yeah, very good, Then light yep.
Josh:On the night of December 28th 1980, two days after the initial sighting, the strange lights reappeared. Sighting the strange lights reappeared. This time, lieutenant colonel charles halt, the deputy base commander, led a team equipped with a tape recorder and various instruments into the forest to document the activity.
Travis:It's so funny that he was like we need to go into the forest, we're going to document this, what do I need? And he's just looking around and he decides on tape recorder yeah, I mean it is the 80s.
Josh:Yeah, I mean the tape recorders were a big thing. Yeah, I imagine it was the classic one where it's like flat and the thing pops up yeah, and you have to it has a handle on it and you can get around with I imagine that's what it was, and they probably had a microphone attachment, sure?
Josh:so his tapes captures his voice as he observes radiation readings coming from the indentations in the ground and discolored trees around the site. At one point he witnessed a small red light appear between the trees and describes beams of light coming down from a glowing object in the sky. He's lucky, okay, yeah what do you mean?
Travis:I don't know.
Josh:I was lucky like he went out to investigate something and then something happened. He, he got it. Yeah, despite the surreal experience, holt and his team felt pressure to downplay the event. Upon returning to the base, holt wrote a memo summarizing the events, which he sent to the British Ministry of Defense. It briefly described the sightings and physical evidence, but offered little in the way of explanations.
Travis:Just reporting facts.
Josh:Yeah, but it sounds like he was downplaying it. This is like eh, this happened whatever, I don't care, yeah. So while the Ministry of Defense did take note of the report, the official stance was that the incident posed no threat to security and the case was effectively closed. However, many of those involved believed there was more to the story. Penniston later claimed that as he touched the craft, he received a telepathic message flooding his mind with streams of binary code. Upon returning to the base, penniston couldn't shake the persistent memory of the binary code. Over the following days, he felt compelled to record the sequences in his notebook. It wasn't until 30 years later that he shared the pages filled with the mysterious code with researchers. When decoded, the binary message revealed coordinates for locations around the world, including ancient, significant sites like the Pyramids of Egypt or the Nazca Lines in Peru.
Travis:The modern binary number system. The basis for binary code, was invented by Gottfried Leibniz in 1689. Hmm, Anyway, I thought binary was much newer.
Josh:So did I Like? What was that guy smoking? Future smoke, oh, mm-hmm, all right. So John Burroughs also later experienced health issues stemming from exposure to the radiation. However, when he requested his medical records, the military denied access to them because they had been classified, and they remain classified to this day. I would be so pissed if I went to get medical records because my life, my health, was falling apart and they wouldn't give it to me, especially if you had like a persistent health thing and you needed access to your medical records.
Josh:Yeah, and that's what he was trying to. I mean, he was going through health issues because of radiation and they were trying to figure out what exactly it was. And they ended up figuring it out without that, but it took a lot longer, without his records, without his records. And then, once they figured out what it was, they released some of the records, but they didn't release all of them, just enough to tempt you. Yep. So in 1981 there was a halt memo where colonel charles halt basically detailed the deputy base commander to the uk ministry of defense.
Travis:Yeah, he detailed the events, including the radiation Halt. Deputy Base Commander to the UK Ministry of Defense.
Josh:Yeah, he detailed the events, including the radiation readings and the sightings of the glowing objects. Then there was the Halt tapes, the audio recording by Halt during his investigation.
Travis:So these are all sources that are backing up this claim. Right that something happened, Right.
Josh:Okay, and then there was witness statements in 1997. Okay, so 17 years after the, there was witness statements in 1997.
Travis:Okay, so 17 years after the fact, these statements were taken.
Josh:Yeah.
Travis:That seems a little weird.
Josh:It does. And some of them were saying that they attribute the lights to the farmhouse or the Orford Nest Lighthouse yeah, which we talked about earlier. But I mean, why do they care that many years later?
Travis:Witnesses who don't believe. It depends on who's conducting this investigation. It might be somebody that is looking to prove that there was a paranormal incident here.
Josh:I guess that's true, Because it sounded like it was just dropped by the military. English and US, yeah. Then there was the Halt affidavit. Halt reaffirms his belief in 2010 that the extraterrestrial nature of the event was real, and he alleges a UK-US cover-up which is cool, you do love a cover-up.
Josh:I do love a cover-up and I like it when countries work together. Yeah, big fan of cooperation. Yeah, in 2005, there was a local police log. The police were called to the scene and they also attributed lights to the lighthouse and the ground impressions that were left by the spaceship. They contributed that to animals.
Travis:What took so long for them to get access to this police log. This is now 25 years after this had happened.
Josh:I have no idea. It's weird. Yeah, it's really weird. In 2001, the Ministry of Defense file a largely internal correspondence and public responses indicating a lack of in-depth investigation.
Travis:Okay, so this Ministry of Defense file might explain why, in 2005, 2010, we saw a resurgence in this incident, because they opened it up again saying like why wasn't this investigated more? There's not enough information, we need more. So they went back and looked.
Josh:Yeah, that makes sense. So the Daniel Davis analysis IT consultants analyzed Sergeant Penniston's binary code, revealing possible geographic coordinates and intriguing patterns.
Travis:Yeah, because he said that it was hieroglyphics or whatever, which is.
Josh:I mean that makes you think of like ancient aliens and For sure the people who used hieroglyphs learned it from the aliens, like it's actually an alien language which I don't know. I'm a little skeptical about this story just because the sergeant and the colonel, their stories, have changed multiple times and drastically throughout the years but we're seeing that a lot, with a lot of these first-hand experiences, like years later they've they've changed their story.
Travis:So far, I mean through the course of, like, the little bit of research we've done for this podcast, a little time we've been recording. That has been anecdotally the case. What are some of the others? Well, most notably, travis Walton. His brother-in-law had redacted his testimony of Travis getting abducted and then, years later, when Travis was going to adapt his story again, oh, he came out saying that it was. He came out saying that it was false. He came out saying that it was false and then they settled it outside of whatever, like it wasn't a court case necessarily, that I remember. But he's like, okay, yeah, fine, I, whatever, I, I will redact my redaction of saying that this, this had happened. I will delete my Facebook post. Yeah, I'll delete my Facebook post. Exactly, nothing's ever really deleted, is it? No, not anymore.
Josh:So here are some arguments for people who believe. Okay, there was multiple eyewitnesses. So several US Air Force personnel, including Lieutenant Colonel Charles Holt, sergeant Jim Penniston and Airman John Burroughs, reported witnessing the event. The consistency in their description of strange lights and craft and physical evidence adds a credibility to their accounts. And they're also high-ranking officers. Sure, also halt audio recording made during the second night of sightings captures his observations and reactions in real time, adding to the authenticity of their claims. Okay, so that's, that's good evidence.
Travis:Audio recordings, though it's kind of hard, I don't know. I have a hard time believing just an audio recording. I want to see it with my own.
Josh:I mean, yeah, you could say like in an audio recording and be like what's that? Oh my gosh, is this alien spaceship?
Travis:yeah, you could just be narrating something that you're maybe not even seeing yeah, and they're just hanging around smoking cigars.
Josh:Yeah, they could just be doing an audio drama. Exactly. I want to know what these guys' childhood looked like. What if they were just? They all wanted to be actors, podcasters. They wanted to be podcasters, which makes sense. This was the first podcast.
Travis:This could have been well. The first podcast was probably like any of the radio dramas that we heard, those were essentially podcasts.
Josh:Yeah, so there's also physical evidence. Believers often point to the physical traces left at the site, such as the triangular indentations in the ground where the craft allegedly landed.
Travis:Yeah, that's deer with their triangle hooves.
Josh:And then scorch marks on the nearby trees and readings of elevated radiation levels.
Travis:The video we watched, it wasn't scorch marks that were documented, it was, they said. It looked like something had rubbed against like a twisting.
Josh:Yeah, I'm just saying this is just what evidence that people believe I'm not. I mean the radiation levels that are there were normal background radiation. It wasn't anything out of the ordinary.
Travis:And then some accounts were like they were loggers or people that were marking trees to be cut.
Josh:Right. Another physical evidence that believers point out is the photographs and plaster casts of the indentations, and they were actually taken by the Air Force personnel providing visual documentation on the site. But, like you said, if it's just deer, yeah, I mean deer with their triangle hooves.
Travis:yeah, why?
Josh:are you looking at me?
Travis:I don't know, because I keep saying triangle hooves, thinking that joke is gonna land, and you just you're like they do have triangle hooves. You move right on. Not like a triangle like they're describing. It's not like an actual triangle. It has, like you know what? I'm spending too much time on deer hooves. You, you got me, josh. I know I tried to get you and you got me back.
Josh:Yeah, I know a hoof. There's also telepathic binary code. That happened. While it's highly controversial, some believers see its complexity in reference as evidence of contact with intelligence beyond our understanding.
Travis:So what did this binary code reveal?
Josh:They said that to a mathematician who was able to decipher it right, or that allegedly yeah, there was like a small little, not poem, but basically it's like we're doing planetary observations, something about eyes of our eyes eyes of our eyes, moon of my moon. No, that Moon of my moon.
Travis:No, that was Game of Thrones, but it also included coordinates for locations around the world, like Pyramids of Egypt, a place in Peru, one of the temples in Greece, oh yeah.
Josh:So my first thought when I heard that he had binary code, I believed what I heard that he wrote this down right after the event.
Travis:No, he didn't write it down right after the event we talked about that.
Josh:It was days later, but still in the 80s, my first thought was like okay, there's no internet, there's probably no way he knew binary. How else would he get these coordinates if he didn't have the internet and then put it into binary? I mean it's all pretty crazy, but it not being revealed until 2010 is a little more sus yeah, total sus Susery at its finest. Also, that it's in English, so the code translates into English as well. As it is a newer form of binary. Instead of being seven bit, it was an eight bit binary, yep. So all of these make it a little more hard to believe, but I was really excited when I first heard it.
Travis:Well, you know, all aliens have an English class in their high school. They have to take, it's required for them to graduate.
Josh:I would imagine that they have some form of education.
Travis:When they say English is the universal language, they mean the universe, the language of the universe, see, this is why you're here yeah, you point out the obvious. If you point out the obvious, you're always right uh, there's also government involvement in secrecy.
Josh:So classic government. Yeah, this is where I get excited. Okay, the incident was documented in a memo sent to the british ministry of defense, suggesting that authorities took the report seriously, at least initially. The memo is often cited as evidence that the government had knowledge and a little bit of interest in the event. Yeah, some believers argue that the government's dismissal of the event is indicative of a cover-up, pointing to alleged efforts to suppress the incident's true nature, which I think we've seen multiple times before.
Travis:Yeah, like it's that classic. There's nothing to see here. Folks keep moving, like when you see an accident happening or a bunch of police officers gathered together and then you have all the looky-loos. The police will say, like move on, move on.
Josh:Nothing to see here, that's right. So those are some of the few arguments for the believers. There's also a lot of arguments for the skeptics, so one of the things.
Travis:Oh boy, here, this is my jam.
Josh:So there's possible misinterpretations of natural phenomena. Some of the things that happen may have not truly been what happened. One of the things that they talked about was the lighthouse which we talked was a couple miles away. The light that these people saw was happening in five second intervals and the lighthouse was set at a five second interval so the light would shine every five seconds. So that kind of seems like it debunks it right there, like I saw light every five seconds, like oh well, that lighthouse shines the light every five seconds yeah like, oh the argument for skeptics about the changing testimonies and the inconsistencies over the years.
Josh:what happened at night varied, particularly regarding the details of what Penniston and Burroughs saw and experienced. For example, Penniston's claim of receiving telepathic message wasn't revealed until many years later, leading some to question the reliability and the consistency of the reliability.
Travis:Yes, I mean that could have been full of research where he's just looking up how to translate binary code into eyes of our eyes. What does that look like in binary? And he types it out.
Josh:Yeah, Also, there's discrepancies between initial reports and later public statements have led skeptics to believe that the story may have been exaggerated or altered over time. So I mean, hearing these kind of stories, skeptics to believe that the story may have been exaggerated or altered over time.
Travis:So I mean hearing these kind of stories again and I've said this on previous episodes. I convinced that something happened. But our brain is so wired to like make sense of things that we see that don't make sense and the easiest form, at least recently, is like to say like it's otherworldly phenomena or a ghost or attributed to something, and that comes from like fear, probably initially, is you get scared when you see something you don't recognize or you can't understand, and in a group setting that fear is amplified In some cases. Absolutely yeah, oh yeah.
Josh:I agree. I think that there are things that happened that night that were unexplainable to the people there. I don't know.
Travis:There's definitely seems as though there is some kind of cover, especially halt and burrows, and the other servicemen reported what they saw, and then that information just kind of and I'm not saying it's like the game of telephone which we talked about on the um aerial school episode, but it is very similar to that where you start to think you're remembering something in a certain way and then it just builds and builds, and builds, and builds, and builds, and builds, and builds to tell a bigger, more fascinating or interesting story. And so, as information is released, as time passes, the binary code specifically of this incident as it comes out weeks or months or years later, it looks like a cover-up, because that information maybe wasn't given to those in charge and they're releasing it or remembering or misremembering these events years ago.
Josh:It's like when you forget something from your past and all of a sudden you remember. You're like oh my gosh, I have been there, I have done that. So I mean it is possible that I mean especially in high-stress situations, that it could take the brain a long, long time to process some of this.
Travis:Yeah, it's why, like cops, if something is to happen to you, you're supposed to write down everything exactly as you witnessed it in that moment, because the more time passes, the more you're going to add your little, your own little narrative to it.
Josh:Yeah, and the more questions asked, yeah. So there is also just a huge lack of conclusive evidence with this. The plaster, that doesn't mean anything. No, I could go plaster any hole and anywhere and it would mean the same thing, yeah, a plaster cast.
Travis:I mean you can go out and dig a hole and make a plaster cast of it and say like, look, I found a tripod where an alien landed. Yeah, you just say that, and they did. And they're like, oh yeah, well, if only you had a plaster cast of that. And you're like, guess what I?
Josh:do? I have one, guys, and I have an audio recording of me making the plaster cast.
Travis:An audio recording describing what happened. Yeah, it's very good, you should listen to it.
Josh:I think I'm going to call it a podcast. So some skeptics suggest that the incident could be partially explained by psychological factors, such as the power of suggestion and group hysteria. Yep, the men involved may have been influencing each other and their perceptions, leading to shared belief that they saw something extraordinary. The documentary, the video that we watched yeah, they mentioned that all the guys there heard screams at night with the lights and everything, and then that is just the sound of the local deer.
Travis:Which is wild. It sounds like a scream. It's like, ah, Like, look up Rendlesham deer and tell me that that is a normal noise that a deer makes. I mean it is, we watched it happen. But it's just, it's weird seeing a human sounding scream come out of a deer's mouth.
Josh:So there was also tension of the Cold War at the time. In this era, the presence of nuclear weapons in the nearby base could have heightened anxiety for these guys, because these were all young guys, early 20s. Yeah, they're all keyed up, yeah, and making the witnesses more likely to interpret unusual phenomenon as something sinister or unworldly. That's possibility. So what do you think? What is your conclusive?
Travis:I mean, we saw in that little video that we saw on the, the y files. I can't remember who the host of that is, but but the guy with the fish. If you guys are looking to get some further information and looking into what we've looked into yeah, it's Y files.
Josh:It's the Rendlesham UFO encounter and the alien message from the future. So that's one thing we didn't talk about is that some of these guys were saying that this is from the future, these are, these are not aliens from another planet, that these are future humans trying to give us messages. Sure, the rendlesham forest incident still remains an enigma, so there is plausible explanations that exist for many aspects of the event, but there's also a lot of inconsistencies and lack of evidence, as well as lack of investigation that leave a lot of room for speculation and debate. The events continue to fascinate and fuel debate about the possibilities of extraterrestrials, but I think you and I are both on the same page, that you know something happened. I mean, it could possibly just be the perfect alignment of weird things and like a heightened sense of anxiety yeah, and fear.
Josh:Yeah, it could have been that and it was just perfectly laid out for that to happen. I'm not going to discount it, even if it wasn't real. It seems as though some of these people had a real experience, you know, and that I'm not going to discount that because I mean, it was a life-altering experience and that, yeah, that is important to to note. I would categorize this as a maybe you know what, josh?
Travis:I would put it as a maybe also. Really, that is a little bit of my impression from that video we watched lingering into this um, I, I am a sucker for like visual documentation of, uh, these incidents. I obviously will fall for it every time. That's because I'm a dumb baby.
Josh:You're a baby.
Travis:So yeah, I'll put it in the maybe file baby.
Josh:Maybe baby. Yeah, I'm right there with you, you know, I think maybe something happened Aliens maybe, but I think that human nature kind of took over on the process over the years of this and it made it messy. Yeah, as they do, Yep. So yeah, if you guys want to contact us, we'll have a link in the show notes to send fan mail. If you have any questions or feedback, we would love to hear that. Yeah, Let us know your deepest no no, I don't want to know those.
Josh:And then, like we do with every episode, we're going to do a baseline quiz after you subscribe.
Travis:We will only do baseline quizzes now if you subscribe. It's kind of like that old Mad Magazine cover where they had a gun to a dog's head and they're like buy this episode or the dog dies. We're only going to release these.
Josh:And we're going to sit here in silence and wait dies. We're only going to release these and we're going to sit here in silence and wait.
Travis:Yeah, we're all going to release these quizzes as long as you subscribe.
Josh:Yeah, so yeah, we're going to do a baseline quiz, we're going to give a sneak peek into what we're going to talk about next week, just to see how much we know, and so you know that we really don't know that much, unless we're really lucky with guesses or someone cheats.
Travis:You, uh, did a wink and a nudge. You were stomping your foot over there and trying to get my attention. I was looking at my phone cheat, huh. Yep, josh has left the room. I just want you guys to know I will cheat at every opportunity, without fail. If you give me information, I will use that just to further my own ends, but not in any way that really benefits me. I only want to use it for the small gains, like winning a quiz at the end of a podcast. I'm a crazy power hungry monster.
Josh:Oh, josh was back All right, so it looks like our baseline quiz is about someone named Kenneth Arnold. I have not heard this name, have you?
Travis:No no.
Josh:So let's do this. This is what we're going to talk about next week. Kenneth Arnold, kenneth Arnold. Okay, so what year did Kenneth Arnold report seeing unidentified flying objects? Is it A 1952? 1947, c, 1962 or D 1977. So what do you think? I mean? This picture is kind of helping. It's a black and white picture Help a ton.
Travis:It looks like a, a fifties version of what the future would look like.
Josh:So I'm going to say 52.
Travis:Okay, yeah, I was going to say we could probably rule out 62 and 77 just based on that picture. So you're going to say 52. I'm going to say 52 also.
Josh:Okay. So the next question where did Arnold claim to have seen the unidentified flying objects? Back? Seen the unidentified flying objects, fuck. Near Mount Rainier, washington. Near Roswell, new Mexico. Near Twin Falls, idaho, hey, or near Sebeka, minnesota, I'm going to say Twin Falls, idaho, I'm going to say Mount.
Travis:Rainier. Okay, I'm only saying Twin Falls because you know we're based in Idaho, hometown heroes.
Josh:Where the TV was invented.
Travis:Yeah, by Philo T Farnsworth.
Josh:Is that true? Huh, wow, that's cool. That's neat knowledge. All right, so the next question what was the estimated speed of the objects? Arnold claimed to have seen 440 miles per hour. Holy shit, what. 700 miles per hour. Holy shit, what. 700 miles per hour, 1,200 miles per hour or 2,000 miles per hour?
Travis:How was he able to determine their speed? I'm going to say it's probably 700. That would be my guess.
Josh:Yeah, I don't know how he was able to determine the speed.
Travis:I mean that's a pretty complicated.
Josh:I mean maybe he wasn't able to do math. Like you went from there to there. You're two miles away.
Travis:You can, you can, you can figure that out, but that's I can't. Well, I mean the, the ability to do that Someone can? Yeah, possibly Kenneth Arnold, it's harder to do, though, in if you're seeing something in the air without any like physical indicators.
Josh:Yeah, it yeah. It's difficult, it can be done yeah, so I'm going to say 1,200 miles per hour. Okay.
Travis:It's probably like 2,000. It was probably, let's say it was like Something crazy, so fast yeah.
Josh:So next question what UFO shape did Arnold sketch in a report for the US Air Force? Is it A a crescent shape, b a spherical shape, c a crescent shape, b a spherical shape, c a horseshoe shape or D a pie pan shape? I don't know about the horseshoe, but those are all pretty good shapes and I know my shapes. I like a horseshoe shape. I didn't say I didn't like the horseshoe shape.
Travis:I like the alliteration of a pie pan shape. A little pee-pee shape. Yeah, a little pee-pee, that's what we say at our house.
Josh:Give me of a pie pan shape a little peepee shape, yeah, a little beepy. That's what we say at our house. Give me the peepee pan. Actually what I guess? It's peep peep, that's redundant. It's the pie pan pan like the atm machine.
Travis:Yep, yeah, okay, man, this is a rough one. I'm going spherical.
Josh:I was gonna say that I'm gonna say pie pan good, all right, I'm gonna say fuck it too. So next question what term did arnold's reported sightings bring into popular use? Is it a foo fighter, b little green men, c extraterrestrial or d flying saucer?
Travis:come on, it's got to be foo fighter I'm gonna say flying saucer damn but, that would mess up my pie pan.
Josh:Commit to the bit I am, so I'm gonna say flying saucer, you're saying foo fighter fighter.
Travis:Yeah, consistent with a, I think, an answer we gave on our first episode of trivia yeah, this might be the guy.
Josh:So the last question what us government agency was formed to investigate reports of unidentified flying objects, in part as a result of arnold sightings? Was it a, the department of defense, b project sign, c, nasa or d project serpo? I'm gonna say department of defense oh, you are yeah okay project sign is not an agency right it was, but I think it was a little bit earlier. Project Serpo is not an agency.
Travis:They're not agencies, though.
Josh:I'm going to do Project Serpo. I've never heard that. I've heard Project Sign from that same first quiz that we did the first episode. Fuck, because there's Project Blue Book and that was an agency. Are you looking?
Travis:I haven't even answered the question yet and you're looking at the answers okay, I'm gonna do.
Josh:I submitted mine because I've already submitted them all right, I'm gonna do project serpo.
Travis:Guess what I got? Big fat goose. Oh, it was project sign. I got a 100 in reverse are you serious?
Josh:yeah, oh, yeah, okay, so first answer when did he see this? Yeah, it's 1947, you got that.
Travis:You got that right, I got it wrong I know we both did 1952. Oh, I thought you said 47. No.
Josh:Okay, so it was seen near Mount.
Travis:Rainier, mount Rainier, yep, twin Falls Wrong.
Josh:Yeah, oh, I got the miles per hour correct too, 1200.
Travis:I got it wrong 700.
Josh:1200 miles. What he claimed to have seen, yep, ufo, shape, uh, did he sketch in his report? It was a crescent shape. That was what I was thinking like. Oh, but it was flying saucers. What's the difference between a crescent and a horseshoe? Then I think crescent is like that, like they're not talking like a crescent moon, this is an audio form.
Travis:So what did you just do with your hands? I flipped travis off. Yep, that's uh, not a crescent shape.
Josh:Joshua's being crass no, it's, uh, just the normal image that you see of an alien ship, just like the crescent top, like a half dome not like a moon, like no, not like a moon, that's a crescent moon that looks like a half circle, which is what a horseshoe is right maybe it's a little wider it doesn't look like the pod racers in star wars okay, I know what a crescent is.
Travis:Guys. Okay, I know what a horseshoe is.
Josh:I'm not an idiot and that's why I said pie pan, because I was thinking two pie pans together, but it looks like it's more saucer pans together, which is where they get the flying saucer.
Travis:I would imagine what term did arnold's reported sighting bring into popular use flying saucer everyone knows that.
Josh:What'd you say, foo?
Travis:fighter dummy.
Josh:I said to a mirror yeah, I got one, two, three we don't need.
Travis:We're not keeping score. We don't need who cares? Who cares how many you got I?
Josh:seem like you cared last time I uh when you got 100 right, and you didn't cheat last time either, which is phenomenal. I didn't cheat this time either. You didn't no yeah alright.
Josh:Well, I'm excited to hear about this guy and the guy who helped coin the term flying saucer. That'd be fun. We get a little history lesson too, so cool. Well, thank you for listening and keep a lookout for this Kenneth Arnold episode. Term flying saucer, that'd be fun. We get a little history lesson too, so cool. Well, thank you for listening and keep a lookout for this Kenneth Arnold episode when it comes out. Okay, bye, bye.