Aliens? Yes! But Maybe No

Pentagon UFO Disclosure: Exploring The Military UAP Videos

• Aliens? Yes! But Maybe No • Episode 5

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Ever wondered what happens when the Pentagon admits UFO videos are real? Well, buckle up, because in this episode, we're diving into the declassified Navy footage that's got everyone scratching their heads. 

We'll explore the infamous 'Tic Tac,' 'Gimbal,' and 'Go Fast' videos, debate whether they're alien tech or just next-gen drones, and ponder why the government is finally talking about it. Is it a slow disclosure, a strategic move, or just a way to discredit the the believers? 

Join us as we navigate the blurry line between official statements and conspiracy theories, and try to figure out if we're on the verge of a cosmic reveal or just watching really cool drone footage. And hey, maybe we'll even figure out if these UAPs are just the advanced tech we need to survive in a future that's looking more and more like the Wasteland.

Tic Tac UAP Video

https://youtu.be/uXH3k6G51kU?si=g5cV4PfJmZ_SRuD4

Gimbal UAP Video

https://youtu.be/QKHg-vnTFsM?si=NaRjmPi-sw24hkOo

Go Fast UAP Video

https://youtu.be/4pRWXpxm8Ls?si=bwjgpdJJJFEZKGfT

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Josh:

Aliens Aliens, yes.

Travis:

But maybe no. Well, welcome to the show. Aliens, yes, but maybe no. I'm Travis and I am Josh. This is an otherworldly podcast, as ambiguous as our title. So, today, on the show, what are we going to talk about? You're finally going to present me with some evidence, right? Is that the topic of the show?

Josh:

Yeah, I've gotten sick and tired of you just doubting everything and said show me the footage Show me that dick yeah, Hollow deck like on Star Trek. Yeah, that's what I meant. I want to see a reaction to what you've been asking for, so today we're going to talk about.

Travis:

Too bad, this isn't a video podcast.

Josh:

Oh yeah, that's a bummer.

Travis:

So everybody else could see my reaction to this evidence that's going to be presented to me today. We'll hire an animator to do that Sure, or maybe we'll do reenactments.

Josh:

Reenactments yeah.

Travis:

It'll be really quick. My jaw will be on the floor. My monocle will pop off.

Josh:

We'll do reenactments with an animator. So your eyes will bulge out of your head.

Travis:

Yeah, your eyes will bulge out of your head. Yeah, my tongue will roll on the floor. I'll say a wooga, a bunch.

Josh:

Oh yeah, Be prepared to hear me say a wooga a bunch. You're hitting your head with a hammer.

Travis:

Yeah, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding ding, trying to get those dirty thoughts out of my brain, yep.

Josh:

Yeah, so today I'm giving you what you've been asking for, and these are and UAPs that have been authenticated by the Pentagon. Yeah, you saw these videos. We sent them to you, yeah.

Travis:

We the Royal, we yeah Josh, backed by the US government.

Josh:

Yep, we as in me, being a part of the Pentagon.

Travis:

Sure Yep Little satellite burg here in humble Nampa Idaho. Bleep out the location.

Josh:

We don't want anybody to come and raid our house like uh happened to me a couple weeks ago.

Travis:

Yeah, no, that's fine, that's legitimate. No, I called the pentagon my bathroom, my toilet, so get to get lost in there and you can't find your way out.

Josh:

Yeah, we, we. Isn't we the people?

Josh:

sure yeah, the royal we yeah, we sent you some videos. We sent you multiple videos. In 2017, the pentagon actually declassified three ufo videos taken by us navy. The Pentagon actually declassified three UFO videos taken by US Navy pilots. They were declassified and then leaked and the Department of Defense had to say something about it. They're like oh shit, like okay, it's out there. And this is their statement. They said the Department of Defense has authorized the release of three unclassified Navy videos, one taken in November 2004 and the other two in January 2015, which have been circulating the public domain after unauthorized releases in 2007 and 2017.

Travis:

Yeah, so we're looking at what an 11 year difference in these three videos. Yes, okay.

Josh:

So I think the one in 2004 was released in 07, and then the two in 2015 were released in 2017.

Travis:

Well, that makes sense. You couldn't release a 2017 video in 2007.

Josh:

I don't know what these aliens are doing.

Travis:

That's true.

Josh:

If they can control gravity, they can control time.

Travis:

Yeah.

Josh:

The US Navy previously acknowledged that these videos circulating in the public domain were indeed Navy videos. After thorough review, the department has determined that the authorized release of these unclassified videos does not reveal any sensitive capabilities or systems and does not impinge on any subsequent investigations of military airspace incursions by unidentified aerial phenomenon. Airspace incursions by unidentified aerial phenomenon. The department of defense is releasing the videos in order to clear up any misconceptions by the public on whether or not the footage that has been circulating was real or whether or not there is more to the videos.

Travis:

The aerial phenomenon observed in the videos remained uncharacterized as unidentified so basic gist of this is like okay, this shit is out there, there's a video out there. We are not confirming or denying the existence of this. We're also not saying it's otherworldly, this, this could be. We're basically just saying it's unidentified at this time until further information is revealed. Know that it's out there, it exists, we just don't know what it is right. So it doesn't necessarily mean that it is, you know, outside of earth's orbit. It could very well be something that is within the means of technology here on Earth, right, but they just don't have the means to identify what it is exactly. And that's all they're saying.

Josh:

Yeah, they're basically saying that, yes, these videos are real. Yeah, we did have them. They were filmed by the US Navy and they're heavily weighing on the word unidentified. Yeah, and a lot of people do that. Well, it's a safe bet. The reality of the thing is we don't know what they are at all, yep, but what we do know is that the way they move, or, potentially, the technology that is being used in them, is more advanced than ours.

Travis:

Um, yes, I have seen footage of drones that are capable I mean, maybe not using the language that's released in this document, but that go like upwards of 200 miles an hour and it looks like they stop on a dime.

Josh:

Yeah, drones are insane, like those fast ones where you're using virtual reality headset. It's wild.

Travis:

Yeah, so there is technology out there that can kind of get close to what is being described here. But that does not mean that just because we lack the technology here in the United States that it isn't out there. A lot of our tech is still manufactured in China, so who knows what is being produced and pushed out there?

Josh:

I mean we were talking yeah, what are they doing over there?

Travis:

What do they do like that meme with the cat in the overalls standing up looking? What do they do like that meme with the cat in the overalls standing up looking what's what's going on over there?

Josh:

They're a very private country. We don't know anyone's finances. We don't know what's going on legitimately. Yeah, we know the richest people in the United States. We don't know who the richest people in China are, because none of it's, none of that's, public.

Travis:

That's a close circle.

Josh:

And I'm sure the richest person in the world lives in China.

Travis:

I that's a close circle, and I'm sure the richest person in the world lives in China. I mean, they've got the biggest economy in the world, next to the United States, and that is only based on information that we have. They've got a billion people in China. Well, and if it's?

Josh:

anything like any other country or the rest of the world. That's probably only five people running the thing, Five companies. They just own other companies.

Travis:

And there's whole cities that are owned by people. Yeah, and they're just a city of workers. Yeah, you look at beijing, it looks like a future city. Like incredible. We're seeing cities in china that are incredible and have blended architecture with nature. Like yes I was just thinking that we're wonderful like it blends in with the mountains and trees. Gardens yep, yeahcraper gardens.

Josh:

Yep, yeah, because they're also trying to. I mean, they got into some deep doo-doo because of their smog issue, where you couldn't even see the people were dying. Classic world politics yeah, airplanes couldn't land because they couldn't see the ground because of the pollution. Yeah, so they had to do it. They had to put succulents everywhere yeah, everywhere, I don't know. I don't think succulents are very good purifiers.

Travis:

Who knows it's all through. Uh, what's it called? Photosynthesis, like algae, is the biggest reducer in co2 on the planet. It's the. It's the best thing that we have to get rid of all those that make sense. Co2 and pooping out oxygen yeah which is what we need to live, and it's like one of the oldest organisms known to us on planet earth. It was it's in the water?

Josh:

Aren't we all just algae in this petri dish?

Travis:

of earth. We're all cosmic dust man.

Josh:

Yeah, so you just learned. We watched a video. We watched a short clip of a 60 minute episode. You just learned why these videos there's three videos that they mentioned in this statement why they were declassified. Do you remember?

Travis:

Yeah, because they were already released and the government had to declassify them to talk about it. People in the government cannot talk about a classified event, and so I don't think they were released, yet they were leaked.

Josh:

They were Well. They were leaked after they were declassified because the vice secretary of defense came in as a citizen because he knew the right people to get a hold of to release them and he was really bummed that he had to be the person to do this Like. Why doesn't the military or the government do?

Travis:

that, so why?

Josh:

Luis Elizondo.

Travis:

Yeah, the guy in the 60 minute video with a really big collar. Yeah, short neck big collar. Yeah, the guy in the 60 minute video with a really big collar yeah.

Josh:

Short neck, big collar, yeah, combination of both yeah, he was there, for the entirety of it was a tip. Which is what? Uh, advanced terraforming. Uh, let me, let me look it up.

Travis:

It was basically a new agency created within the government. Josh is going to come up with the acronym here, I'm just vamping. So it's a new agency that's created within the government to investigate these UAPs, or commonly known as UFOs. Right, so a tip is the governmental acronym for.

Josh:

Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.

Travis:

So it's AATIP.

Josh:

AATIP. Okay, so basically once Project Blue Book was canceled in the 70s.

Travis:

I think the government is really they're wishy-washy. Well, no, I'm just saying when they come up with these acronyms AATIP just sounds like what you would use to not get a girl pregnant. Just a tip.

Josh:

You think they come up with the acronym first and then figure out what it means.

Travis:

Yeah, like this is just AATIP of the iceberg, yeah, and they're like hey man, we've been saying AATIP a lot, let's just create an acronym for it. That makes sense. Yeah.

Josh:

I could see that happening, yeah, so Elizondo was there for the entirety of it. After his long military career, he was hired by the Pentagon to work for AATIP and they're investigating all these things. A lot of these videos were buried, were never going to be talked about. Him and his teams were finding these, realizing that these were issues, eventually got them declassified. Funding was pulled and then he ended up leaving out of frustration, because there's a lot of resistance to any of this information.

Travis:

Yeah, so how much of these whistleblowers do you think are reacting to I don't know, being mistreated, and so this is like a vindictive measure to say like, well, fuck you government, I'm going to.

Josh:

Like a who's coming with me.

Travis:

Yeah, Kind of like you're cool, you're cool. Fuck you government. I'm going to Like a who's coming with me. Yeah, Kind of like you're cool, You're cool, fuck you and I'm out.

Josh:

I don't know. It sounds like Elizondo was fed up for years before he left because he was constantly trying to get these videos and this information, these security threats flying through the sky, trying to get the right people to see it and do something about it, and everyone's just like, nah, I don't want to. No, that's crazy, like I don't want to do that. And finally he got so fed up that he ended up leaving. Yeah, so he was fed up, I imagine, probably the same level of fed up as most people feel in their workplace. Sure, working sucks.

Travis:

Yeah, working does suck. We should have AI figure that out for us.

Josh:

Yeah, I'd be okay with that.

Travis:

We can explore the cosmos, yes, and art, and what it means to be human.

Josh:

Well, ernest Cline who.

Travis:

Sure, Ready Player One.

Josh:

Ready Player One, he said we have two paths in front of us. We have the Mad Max path or the Star Trek path, and it looks like we're going towards the Mad Max path.

Travis:

Hell, yeah, I want to be, yeah, I want to be. Well, I don't want to be an Immortan Joe. Who would I be? Maybe a Max A rogue, just adventuring across the plains, just trying to stay alive, eating lizards and stealing fuel.

Josh:

I would definitely be a background character. I feel Just trying to survive.

Travis:

I think you'd be a good war boy.

Josh:

What does that mean?

Travis:

That's like his army, but they're the guys that like jump onto other.

Josh:

Is that the guy playing the guitar?

Travis:

No, that is the Doof Warrior is his name. He fucking rules. Doof Warrior is the best character in all of Mad Max. The war boys are like. They're like his army. They're the guys that will do exactly what Immortan Joe asks of them, and they get rewarded in Valhalla. So they're kind of it's kind of like Norse mythology. They spray silver on their face.

Josh:

They go crazy, and if they die, they die with honor.

Travis:

They say witness me. They spray paint on their face when they're asking people to witness them. It's like to get a history of their deeds kind of You've really thought about this, haven't you? No, George Miller has really thought about this. He's got a Mad Max wiki that I dip into every once in a while. I am a huge Mad Max fan. I think that guy is brilliant.

Josh:

So you would prefer a post-apocalyptic?

Travis:

No, I'm saying if that's the path we go down, I'm just trying to explore my role.

Josh:

I don't want to be-. Oh okay, You're just preparing.

Travis:

I'm just preparing. I don't want to be one of a morton joe's citizens, because those guys get treated terribly and, uh, it's like a cult. Um, he rewards them once a day with water and it is a nightmare scenario. The people that live and do well are the ones are the rogues that are yeah, I would rather die than be in that scenario. Yeah also like tetanus. Shots aren't around and there's a lot of rusty metal, so there's a lot of people that probably get lockjaw and die yeah, I'm in that world.

Josh:

What happened to medicine in that world?

Travis:

radiation, I don't know, just ruined all of it. It ruined all of it and nobody's interested, because now it's just uh just constant survival constant survival, and that's all. People are there's no time for an injection. It's just, it's the dark ages all over again.

Josh:

Okay, yeah, I mean, my preference would be Star Trek, star Trek Sure.

Travis:

To. That'd even take Star Wars.

Josh:

Yeah, but I mean it sounds like if there are multiple aliens out there, this is what Ernest Cline was saying. If there are multiple aliens out there, why not try to harness this technology? Why not try to get this technology where we can change our planet for the better? If get this technology where we can change our planet for the better, if we're making so much carbon right now and we can come up with an?

Travis:

energy source. That is the problem. The problem, I see, is that this is in the wrong hand. So atip uh, all these agencies, they are all a division of the us military, and the us military is not interested in moving humanity forward.

Josh:

They are looking at edging and uh, edging oh yeah, not edging, you're familiar, we've all been looking I'm edging right now, just just talking, just thinking about this so close.

Travis:

Um, they're not interested in moving humanity forward, necessarily, and I I don't think that the US military is the right agency to be looking into this. I think that it should be another maybe and you know government agency, of course, so that gets funded and can put research into it. But the military is just looking at applications for the military so that we can maintain, whatever our military superpower reputation.

Josh:

Yeah, and Ernest Cline touched on this topic as well, saying, like a scientist's goal is to get funding and to get tenure. Yeah, so there's a lot of topics that they're not touching because they're not going to get funding and they're not going to get tenure because of this. Yeah, and I mean this is all fascinating, fascinating stuff. That's why scientists aren't clamoring to figure out what all this is is, because it doesn't benefit them and their family and their life. So the government thinks that they're protecting us or trying to gain this upper advantage. Like you said, our best interest isn't.

Travis:

Yeah, they don't have our best interest in mind when they're developing this. So the United States is viewed as a world police. Right, we are. We have bases, military bases everywhere, and that is not to benefit, really, the local governments. That is to keep an eye on these fringe groups that maybe want to do us harm or are doing us harm because we are establishing military bases and you know authoritarian rule in these smaller countries or bigger countries. I mean, we've got you know authoritarian rule in these smaller countries or bigger countries. I mean we've got, you know, bases that right up next to Russia and China so that we can monitor them. And so these drones, these could be reactionary from China or Russia. Russia is a big country, china is a very big country, very technologically advanced country, more so, on the side of China, these could be drones that are just doing surveillance, and Jeremy Corbell's video of that.

Travis:

UAP flying through yeah, the jellyfish flying through that base in the Middle East and then dipping down into the water. We have no idea what is going on, even in our own oceans. We're not exploring our oceans. It's such a big, vast part of our ecosystem here and we don't know anything about it. We're finding species in the ocean that living in environments we thought were hostile to organisms, and we're finding things thriving in like these underwater heat vents and in the coldest places you know on the planet. So who knows what is under that water? And it would be so easy to hide something in our oceans.

Travis:

I mean, that's where Godzilla lives, and we don't even. How many Godzilla sightings have there been in the last 20 years?

Josh:

Not many, I mean however many movies there were, which is a decent amount. Yeah, so I mean at least 50. Yeah, sure, Okay, that's true, at least 50. Yeah, sure, Okay, that's true. I misspoke so these three videos. You mentioned the jellyfish one.

Travis:

Yeah, JC's video, Jeremy Corbell.

Josh:

Yeah, that wasn't part of those three that were released, so the three that were released were the Tic Tac.

Travis:

Yeah, we talked about this on the last episode. Right, this was a quiz.

Josh:

Yeah, this was in the quiz. We were naming the three. There's the Tic Tac, the Gimbal and the Go Fast. Yeah, the Tic Tac was off the coast of San Diego in 2004. It's an inside joke of the military referring to the movie Airplane. That's where they get the Tic Tac name, the commander, david Fravor, said in a statement for the Congressional House Oversight Committee. I would like to say that the Tic Tac object that we engaged in November 2004 was far superior to anything that we had at the time, have today or are looking to develop in the next 10 plus years. So I'm just thinking off the top of my head. With this superpower comes super technology. We have the best technology and it's hard to think that another country would have better technology than the United States.

Travis:

Not to me. That's just the natural progression of things. We build and then they build, and then we build and then they build, and it's a constant progression and it gets moved forward because we discover what they're doing, or they discover what we're doing. They get, you know, pieces of satellite. I mean, that's how the space race was won, as we were able to. Well, there's like the brain drain that happened in Germany, which is how we, you know, we're able to create atomic energy. Korea, india we're seeing people come here and who are very mathematical minded.

Josh:

But that's what I'm saying. The United States is like the Mecca for technology.

Travis:

Yeah, we're definitely a draw. We're seeing less of that now, though, we're seeing less people wanting to come here, and they are just going to universities within their own country and building within their own country, because why come to the United States and build up our infrastructure and get involved in this silliness? And it's a hassle to come here, and when you leave, it's a hassle to try to come back. So they're building things in their own country, and that is just a natural course of things, and we have relied so heavily on people smarter than us coming here and helping us that we've forgotten how to raise and develop intelligence.

Josh:

Yeah, I mean, we're real dumb over here.

Travis:

We're are, but this is the. We're creating our own, Wally.

Josh:

Yeah, absolutely. It could be possible that someone like Russia or China they were successful in backwards engineering some UAPs and that they're able to use that technology to survey on us.

Travis:

It's also possible that it was an organic development. They just had come across something and invented something like a, you know, a propulsion system that doesn't push out exhaust. I mean, we're seeing that, like I said, with drones drones don't push out exhaust.

Josh:

Yeah, they, they use air.

Travis:

Huh, they use air. It's uh, being propelled forward through like fans that move really fast and are very articulated. Yeah, it like fans that move really fast and are very articulated.

Josh:

Yeah, it just. It just blows me away that our military is the most blades.

Josh:

I guess Not our military is the most advanced military and it's beyond what we have. I mean, these are what the top people in the military are saying, that what we're seeing we don't know what it is and it's hard to even speculate because we're not even to the point where we can even think about designing something like this. We'd like to Sure. So that was the Tic Tac. The gimbal was taken aboard a Navy fighter jet from the nuclear aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt along Jacksonville, Florida. That one's the coolest looking one. It literally looks like a top.

Travis:

That's a gimbal, yeah, yeah.

Josh:

And then the go fast, which surprisingly went really slow yeah, shocking everybody.

Travis:

Yeah, military loves irony this is interesting, though.

Josh:

So it was captured by a us navy fa18 super hornet off the east coast of the united states in 2015. Yeah, they said what? Uh, or? Virginia yeah, virginia beach. The video was leaked to tom delong. He co-founded to the stars inc. And he was the first to obtain the copy of the video and the pentagon later verified it. So that's really cool. Yeah, gives you a new uh found respect for blink 182 I thought you were gonna say newfound Gives a new meaning to Green Day.

Josh:

Right, right, such a simple plan, uh-huh, wow. Yeah, I know I could go on.

Travis:

Sum 41.

Josh:

We're just going to start naming late 90s punk bands. Yeah.

Travis:

Okay, so Tom DeLonge, why were they released to him?

Josh:

Because he was a founder of To the Stars Inc, which is scientists, engineers. It's a company that deals with media. They produce and then they obviously help leak images and video in the name of science. That's my overall understanding. I don't think that's exactly what they do.

Travis:

Formerly known as To the Stars Academy of Arts and Sciences, san Diego-based company co-founded by Tom DeLonge, harold E Putoff and Jim Semivan, who is a retired CIA intelligence officer of the company, which is composed of aerospace, science and entertainment divisions, has produced music recordings, books, television shows and films. Focus of the company is the promotion of UFOs and other fringe science.

Josh:

Ooh Like. What? What's another fringe science? Ooh Like what?

Travis:

What's another fringe science? Fringe science first, the ideas whose attributes include being highly speculative or relying on premises already refuted. Fringe science theories are often advanced by people who have no traditional academic science background the paranoid freaks. That's not a Wikipedia entry, that's my own editorializing.

Josh:

That's very nice of entry. That's my own editorializing.

Travis:

That was very, very nice of you or by researchers outside the mainstream discipline. The general public has difficulty distinguishing between science and its imitators and in some cases, a yearning to believe or a generalized suspicion of experts is a very potent incentive to accepting pseudoscientific claims. So French science covers everything from novel hypotheses, which can be tested utilizing the scientific method, to wild ad hoc hypotheses and mumbo jumbo that's in the Wikipedia article, mumbo jumbo that was not me editorializing. This has resulted in a tendency to dismiss all fringe science as the domain of pseudoscientists, hobbyists and quacks. So you can see, like my skepticism, because a lot of people that are trying to push this forward are the kind of people that are like oh no, I did my own research. Well, ok, but your research is very focused and you're not looking to dispute something that you feel is true. Right, you're not looking at a broad sense, you are looking to like validating your own viewpoint.

Josh:

Yeah, I agree, a lot of people are that way. They're not a lot of private investigators with extreme passion If you were to confirm that what they saw.

Travis:

Confirmation bias is the word I'm looking for. So they're looking to confirm their own bias, if you were to debate be like no, this isn't it.

Josh:

They wouldn't believe you, right? Because the reality is is anything that is identified will help the cause of identifying. Unidentified things will help the cause of identifying unidentified things Right so it's actually a good thing identifying stuff it really is, because that helps us determine what's what it allows us to push our science.

Travis:

That's not what we're talking about, though. We're not talking about identifying stuff. We're talking about people that are researching with one idea in mind, and they see something that they don't have the vocabulary to describe, and then they're like oh, that's alien.

Josh:

Of course that's alien. Of course that's alien. Look how fast it moves instead of like looking into what it actually might be. You know well what. Why I brought that up is because it would be a good mindset for them to be in, to be okay at not being what they thought it was. But it is hard for some of these very passionate people who have I mean, there's some people that are there with all the same military equipment doing this research, trying to find answers and footage, and when they show this stuff and it's proven, not correct, they will not believe it. The right mindset going in is like thank you for proving me wrong, now we can further look into other things, right, and now we know what this is, yeah, so that'll help determine what other things are in the future. That's the right mindset to go in. You're saying a lot of these people will not allow their viewpoint to be changed, right. They're going in trying to find a UFO. Whatever they see is a UFO.

Travis:

So we talked about this a little bit on the last episode, with these eyewitnesses experiencing something and I'm not saying that they didn't experience a thing like that. That needs to be validated, and what they saw or heard, you know, was an experience that they had. But is it necessarily this otherworldly thing, who knows? Yeah, Not really.

Travis:

I mean, I'm still skeptical, but that doesn't mean that the experience they had wasn't something that they had. Right, that was very. That was their truth. That was something that they feel happened to them. They just maybe lacked all the information you know, or the vocabulary being you know we talked about with the aerial school, you know a trick of the light, or you know hyperbole. Somebody had said something and then, as you know kids are prone to do, spread throughout the whole population, kind of like the game of telephone where you say one thing and then it gets more exciting and more exciting though, or scary or scary, the further along it passes through the population. So who knows those people's experiences? They felt like happened to them and I feel like that's that's valid. That was an experience that they had, was it? Was it true? I don't know.

Josh:

And that's. That's the thing.

Travis:

Those are the people that are like being quoted and interviewed and, you know, driving the narrative. There we go, the narrative forward and that's why there is so much skepticism among people like myself and I would say broadly you know the broad population. They look at that as like well, those are just wackos talking about paranoid, crazy stuff.

Josh:

And that's what's so exciting about these videos being released and people I mean smartest people in the world trying to figure out what it is, and still can't. They don't have an explanation, we don't know what they are.

Travis:

Well, I would like to push back on them, not knowing what the explanation is. I'm sure that there are people within the government that do know what it is, but what the people that are releasing this information don't know, because a lot of it is still classified.

Travis:

I'm sure that you know all of the information that was released at this military base in the Middle East. They are only talking about the information that they are able to talk about. They were pretty cagey about even talking about the things that they were talking about, like looking Jeremy and George Knapp looking at each other to make sure that they weren't saying anything that couldn't be said, because there's still some classified information and they were probably feeling under pressure that if they were to say the wrong thing, that the government was going to swoop in and disappear them. I'm just kidding. I'm not saying that the military is going to come in or the government's going to come in and disappear Jeremy Corbell or George Knapp. That's not what.

Josh:

I'm saying I mean they're prepared for that?

Travis:

Or maybe.

Josh:

They really are prepared for that. George Knapp was mentioning with this jellyfish video how a lot of people online are very upset because they're releasing things that haven't been authenticated Very similar to the Mexico alien mummy that they ended up finding out later was not real. So a lot of online people are saying it's very irresponsible that you're sending this out without it being authenticated.

Travis:

So to speak, to that I there have been, you know, dinosaur bones. Let's use, uh, brontosaurus, like brontosaurus was let's do a different one let's, let's found.

Travis:

Okay, you want to do it. I'm just saying brontosaurus was found to not actually exist. It's a brachiosaurus. They got the bones wrong. Yeah, they, they pieced things together, do I think that that was irresponsible? That me, growing up, brontosaurus was the fucking raddest dinosaur ever. You could slide down its neck and go to work. You know, jump in your foot-powered car, right, brontosaurus man, they live in your house. They spit water on you when you're showering. That was early, yeah, early, caveman stuff.

Travis:

The pressure on science to get it right, I think, is misplaced, because science is the discovery of information, right, science is always trying to learn. So, ricky Gervais I don't want to get too political, but Ricky Gervais has this line if you were to destroy all of the religious texts and all of the science texts, in a thousand years all of those science books would still exist. But in a thousand years all of those science books would still exist. But in a thousand years all of the religious texts would not. Because those are whatever. They're stories, right, and stories are going to change throughout history. So, people, they've added and subtracted the Bible. When you think about when the Bible was written, there was transcribed by monks who were copying from a copy, from a copy from a copy, and they were writing down stuff in the margins, things that they thought were interesting, and then sometimes those margins got incorporated into the text. This was all done by hand, very laborious work.

Josh:

And so there was a type of worship for them.

Travis:

Yep, and so there were some cheats and shortcuts. They're humans, just like any human in any job. They're going to take shortcuts and they're going to make something into their own, create an artistic flourish, or they're really captivated by a line that they thought of or had said, and so they're going to incorporate that into the Bible. And some of it is just very I'm not trying to make anybody mad, but it's very lazy writing just like literarily, where it's just like hand baguette, blah, baguette, blah, baguette, blah. And there's piles of those entries in the Bible where it's just like this person had this person, who had this person, who had this person. It's just a genealogy.

Josh:

Yeah, which was very important back then.

Travis:

Sure, Long story short. If the Bible was destroyed, all copies of the Bible were destroyed, there's no way that those, even with biblical scholars, there's no way that that exact version of the Bible would be created. Yeah, because we don't have the same process that they did back, then we would be created?

Josh:

Yeah, because we don't have the same process that they did back then, we would only have word of mouth.

Travis:

At this point there's no way to test it.

Josh:

A word would change here and there, or a sentence would change.

Travis:

But every science book that we have now proving gravity works and air resistance and fluid dynamics, we would all be able to test. Those and those same books would exist a thousand years from now.

Josh:

Yeah, you believe you're skeptical. I believe I'm not skeptical. We both don't know much and we're learning together. I think eventually we will know a lot. You know, we're already talking about all these different things, referencing all these different things, and we've only done a handful of episodes. Yeah, we could be a superpower at some point with our minds. We could learn so much and just be like, wow, we know all this stuff now. Sure.

Travis:

That could learn so much and just be like, wow, we know all this stuff now. Sure that's exciting.

Josh:

It is exciting, or I could still be a forever skeptic.

Travis:

I'm going to be a forever skeptic. I just I. I am, that's in my, uh, that's in my nature, like I don't need to behold something firsthand to believe it. But I think there needs to be a narrative shift, like who is driving this movement, and it needs to move away from these personal emotional experiences and something more, like what we're talking about or not. That video footage is photoshopped or is current technology that we have here but it's just inaccessible to us in the united states. What we need to do is shoot those things down you sound like a president.

Josh:

We need to shoot those things down well, we saw this.

Travis:

What uh like back in 20, 2021, that chinese balloon that was floating around and people were like what the fuck is going on? What the fuck is going on and it's just like floating. Yeah, it's like a surveillance balloon. It was a surveillance balloon tracking tiktokers.

Josh:

Uh, yeah, it was it was tiktok it was music, music ly or whatever music dot ly musically.

Travis:

Uh, it was those guys. Yeah, yeah, somebody should look into that tiktok yeah, no one will ever look into that.

Josh:

They got away scot-free they did.

Travis:

Yeah, they're not definitely getting banned uh, it's a whole nother. Thing but not really like the. That weather balloon was a bellwether where we're starting to realize we're getting surveilled, surveyed surveyed.

Travis:

Yeah, it's true, and they are banning tiktok because it seems as though it's an uncensored platform where they can't think of all the people that are posting dances and all the information that is gathered just through, like if you and I were to film a tiktok dance here. There are so much that can be gleaned from you, mean, when we when, of course, we're doing it right now, we're actually dancing, we're doing this very cool dance. It's very complicated, uh, not unlike, uh, the australian break dancer from the olympics. Yes, but there's a lot of information that can be gleaned just from us filming in your house. You can look at and get a basic idea of how you are doing financially just by looking at your surroundings.

Josh:

Oh, absolutely, and you get exact location, all this stuff, you get exact locations.

Travis:

If people are doing that in public spaces, you can get information there. So there's a lot of information that's being gathered, and that's the problem with TikTok is it's gathering all this information and nobody knows. Facebook, instagram they're all doing the same things, but the reason the United States feels it's so threatening is because TikTok is based out of China.

Josh:

Yeah, and they don't like it. That is a huge reason. But I also think there's more than one reason. I think that TikTok because of how fast everything's moving and it's not just dances I mean, half of it is dances, but there's no, I know, I know, I know and I'm just saying there's a lot of information being spread that they can't censor.

Travis:

That's a lot of people's entry point, and what a lot of people spend their time doing is just looking at dances and things like that they're just scrolling through all of this stuff.

Josh:

But this wouldn't be the first time that the United States has tried to censor something or hide something.

Travis:

Well, I mean China's doing that. You can't get Facebook in China. Twitter was not outside of journalistic groups. You couldn't even really get Twitter in China.

Josh:

But I mean there's tons of UAP and investigators on TikTok that are doing these kinds of things and tons of other things. You know there's trends that are going on or we're learning about things that the government doesn't want us to be learning about, whether it be riots or information over here. You know just all these different things, that this information is being produced so fast and it's instantaneous around the whole world, that they can't censor it, they can't do anything, and that's a threat. That's a huge threat, because a lot of people are getting their news, their information, from TikTok or from these social media sites, not just the medias that are getting paid off by the government, just the medias that are getting paid off by the government, and this lines up with what they've been doing and not showing any information on any of these flying objects. They don't care and, just like some of these pilots said, if these were fighter jets we would attack.

Josh:

This would be a very serious thing, but because they look different, we're ignoring them completely. That's strange, that's really strange. So it could be like you said, some people in the military know what's going on and I think that's part of this whole movement is there is information out there that we don't have. They're withholding it and we're trying to gather as much information as we can to make a cause to push back and say like, look, this is real, this is out here. We've already gotten all the way to Congress and we're making some really good headway. Yeah.

Travis:

The US government and military, specifically, are in a very good position right now because they can acknowledge that there are these UAPs. But then, in that same breath, they can also discredit all of these people, like the Jeremy Corbells and George Knapps and Bob Lazar's of the world, and say like well, these guys are insane. Like listen to what they're saying, yeah, these things exist, but what they're saying is wrong, and they can still hold on to the information they have and discredit those people. And then you know people like me like see these fringe spokespeople with their podcasts and their wild bullhorns shouting down any sort of other information that could be coming out.

Josh:

And I think it's important, like we were talking about with George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell releasing this without it being authenticated. If they didn't do it, no one would have and we would have never found out about it. So, just like these other things, now this is out in the open. The Pentagon now has to make a statement about it and say, yes, it was real. We don't know what it is, which is fine. Now say, yes, it was real. We don't know what it is, which is fine. Now, that means it's authenticated. Yeah, they said this is real, whatever blah blah. I imagine that will happen, unless it's not, and then it'll turn out a different way. But I think these guys do the due diligence in getting this information leaked. They're getting this information, these videos, from the right people, people that are trustworthy, that are in power to help the cause, but obviously there's fear behind it. So why is there fear? Why is there all these different things that are going on? What do you mean? Why is it being leaked? Why can't they just come out with it?

Josh:

Uh, I mean, it's just a reaction off Mike was well, someone's going to die.

Travis:

That's a fear? I mean it is it. Is it that's a fear it, I mean it is. It is a. It is a fear because it's the military guarding this information, and that has always been a fear. Military is known for disappearing people. We have a central intelligence secret service just the name alone, secret service. Like what are they up to? I don't know. It's a secret. Yeah, those agencies are, they're meant to be clandestine and go in and and operate according to the will of whoever's in charge, and then, ultimately, sometimes the president. Yeah, so they are viewing these things as information and they want it leaked out according to their timeline.

Josh:

So another leak that happened that Jeremy Corbell was part of was the Pyramid UAP from the USS Russell. That was leaked to Jeremy and he presented it. The video was taken in July 2019 in San Diego. Personnel on the ship reported that they had observed and recorded multiple pyramid shaped crafts about 700 feet above. A spokesperson from the Pentagon actually said I can confirm that the referenced photos and videos were taken by the Navy personnel. The UAPTF has included these incidences in their ongoing examinations. Look at us. What if we do this podcast? We ended up becoming very knowledgeable and in a few years, all of a sudden, we're a spokesperson and someone leaks us information. What would we do with that?

Travis:

Release that dick, yeah we would, we would absolutely release it. Well, would that be uh irresponsible of us to do that.

Josh:

I mean, this is all hypothetical it's hypothetical, but I I think it would be the responsible thing to do and go about it like george knap and jeremy saying we don't know what this is, we're letting you know exactly what's happening. I mean they're not doing anything irresponsible. They're saying we got this video. We're not saying that it's extraterrestrial, we don't know what it is. It's obviously surveying. It's obviously intelligently controlled. Yeah, this is talking about the jellyfish spaghetti monster UFO.

Travis:

I want to go on record right now and say please don't release this stuff to us. We're very irresponsible. I don't know what we'd do with it. Probably not the right thing. I would say this is best left in the hands of professionals Like what if we become professionals?

Josh:

That's what I'm saying. Come on, we don't know, that's not going to happen. Good, but yeah, don't give us anything.

Travis:

Don't give us anything that is incredibly irresponsible. We have families. We have families. Jeremy Corbell is best suited for this kind of towards an app.

Josh:

Honestly, if something got leaked to me, I would get ahold of them. Yeah, that's basically what would happen.

Travis:

What do I do? And then he's like oh you know, I already have that information. Sorry, dumb, dumb.

Josh:

Yeah, old news, yeah. So yeah, there's been tons of UAP videos released, some in the Middle East, just like the jellyfish one and there's also huge databases and social media platforms that are about people experiencing things, and they can upload video or audio, text or images. It'll give you location. There's tons of stuff out there and there's a huge community trying to build this database. Some of these may not be real. I was in Texas earlier this year, humble brag, and we saw the SpaceLink satellites, where it's like 23 satellites. It just looks like a bunch of UFOs flying through the sky. Luckily, I was with my brother and he knew exactly what it was. He's like oh yeah, no, that's.

Travis:

And see that's. That's the thing is.

Josh:

You were with somebody who understood what was going on, but you if I didn't have that, I wouldn't have known what that was, because I didn't even know that was launched off, You'd have a panic attack.

Travis:

Oh yeah.

Josh:

I'd be filming it. I'd be like what is this? Oh my gosh.

Travis:

This is what Ernest Cline was writing about in Armada. Aliens are here. Oh my God, yeah, yeah.

Josh:

Yeah, there's a bunch. He says I just the podcast episode of jeremy and him and nap talking. Yeah, ernest klein has so much information that he information dumped on that episode. Yeah, about everything. And when you said that my mind just started exploding of everything that he said like I'm surprised his mind is that's he has to write books or he's gonna explode. Yeah, he has to have some kind of outlet because he has so much going on. He retains everything he hears and sees.

Travis:

Yeah, it's. Uh, I don't know if you've read ready player one or ready player two is not like a phenomenal piece of writing, but it is. It's fun Read ready player one, though, was one of the best books I read the year that it came out.

Josh:

That was exciting and I was like, oh man, somebody remembers the 80s.

Travis:

This fucking rules All in all these videos. Has this done anything for your skepticism? No, I don't. I'm going to take the side that they're unidentified and you know I appreciate the nature in which these videos were released. Thoughtfully released, yeah, I mean. They weren't released intentionally, government acknowledging that they exist, but they're also unsure of what it is. It's still unidentified, right? I do appreciate that. Whether or not it's aliens, I'm not a believer.

Josh:

Do you want to take a guess? What do you think? Do you think it's other countries'?

Travis:

technology you do.

Josh:

Yep, that's boring.

Travis:

No, it's not. It's engaging. You believe one thing, I believe another, and we're talking about that and mine's more exciting. Okay, but for the purposes of a podcast it is more exciting to have two differing opinions. That is true. If we're just talking about the same thing and validating each other's experience or opinion, then it's boring.

Josh:

That's boring to me that's just mentally edging each other.

Travis:

We're just slowly getting closer to completion. But never, quite getting there.

Josh:

You're right? No, you're right.

Travis:

Yeah, you're totally right. I'm right, we're bright together.

Josh:

Oh God, so close. I think that this authenticates that there is something out there we don't know what it is.

Travis:

It is unidentified. Like you said, I'm on record. I believe there is something out there. I don't think we have enough information to prove that, even though in my heart of hearts I feel like there is something out there. There has to be. There has to be. Otherwise, this is a very depressing, lonely place.

Josh:

Well, you know what you mentioned multiple times, that maybe you just don't have all the information and maybe throughout this podcast, us learning You're putting a lot of weight on this podcast, us learning.

Travis:

You're putting a lot of weight on this podcast and I don't want to do that I like the exploratory idea of this podcast. I don't want to put a lot of pressure on myself becoming an expert or whatever.

Josh:

I just like-. No, I'm just saying that maybe someday your opinion will change because you'll have some of the information that you don't have.

Travis:

Maybe I'm not putting that much pressure on future Travis. I've gone down that road before. Future Travis looks on past Travis very negatively sometimes and I don't want to do that to my future self. I'm not going to put that kind of pressure on me. I like the exploration of this podcast. I like where this is going. I don't want to get to the point where I see myself as an expert. I want to see myself always as an amateur. I'm doing this. That's great as a definition of amateur. I'm doing this because I am interested in it. I am doing this for the love of information.

Josh:

Yeah, and honestly, that's why I'm doing it. I was just having fun thinking about that, yeah.

Travis:

But I'm not wanting to become an expert. You're edging yourself into celebrity.

Josh:

I've never been an expert in anything and I don't plan on being an expert, but it's just fascinating and fun and I'm very curious, sure, if you guys have any feedback on what we're talking about.

Travis:

Eventually we'll have a website Eventually we'll have a website. Or an email address, which is like the simplest entry point we don't have yet.

Josh:

Well, you know what? We could get one, and if the feedback isn't good, we could get rid of it and then go back to be like, yeah, we don't have one yet.

Travis:

Sorry guys, we just changed one letter of our email address. Yeah, sorry, it's in the show notes. It always changes.

Josh:

But yeah, if you guys have any feedback of what we're saying, any corrections, and it could be feedback about anything about how the structure of the show is.

Travis:

Sure, come at me, you paranoid freaks. I want to hear it. Just don't be irresponsible with your information that you're sending us.

Josh:

I think they prefer passionate investigators. Sure, if you guys have any questions or any episode topics or anything like that, you can.

Travis:

I think that would be interesting. If we can get feedback on the direction of the show, like maybe give us some topics to discuss. If you guys like our opinion so far, that would be fun.

Josh:

And that's the thing I mean. These are such big topics. I mean we could talk for six hours about just these videos, and there's other videos that we didn't even talk about. We can only talk about so much. There's so much going on. I mean roswell.

Travis:

We didn't talk about half of what happened with roswell yeah, you might not even be able to hear this episode because it got scrubbed by the us military by the roswell people we may have accidentally misspoke and released declassified information unknowingly, and so the us government has scrubbed this episode. So you never know, we might not even be uh, this may be found, we might not even be real people.

Josh:

Yeah we could be ais. Yeah, we could be ais, created by the government to confuse you, but that's not true. We're not. I mean, I don't think we are that's exactly what an ai would say oh man, well an ai wouldn't be wrong on all their quizzes.

Travis:

Oh boy, baseline quiz time my favorite part of the show. Yeah, oh no a name. Twin baseline colon abduction of Travis Walton is the theme of this quiz.

Josh:

Yes, so this is what we'll be talking about next episode. I don't know anything about this.

Travis:

I don't either, so this is going to be real fun. Other than I know we share a name.

Josh:

Which may not be a coincidence.

Travis:

We share initials Travis Wright.

Josh:

Travis Walton, t-dub, t-dubs. Okay, well, uh, initials Travis Wright. Travis Walton, t-dub, t-dub, t-dubs. Okay, well, let's get this going. So the abduction of Travis Walton. We have five questions.

Travis:

Uh-oh, clear winner and loser this time then yeah, not a tie, no chance for a tie.

Josh:

Well, and we both don't know what's going on.

Travis:

So I'm going to be guessing on all of these, but I'm just saying there's no chance for a tie like we did last week.

Josh:

Oh, that's right, Unless we both answer the same things every single time. Yeah, I guess.

Travis:

But I don't see that happening. No.

Josh:

All right. So first question when did the alleged abduction of Travis Walton take place? Okay, november 5th 1975. These are all November 5ths, yeah.

Travis:

November 5th 2001. Remember, remember, the 5th of November. Ooh, you familiar with that.

Josh:

Yeah.

Travis:

V for Vendetta.

Josh:

Yeah, it's one of my favorites.

Travis:

Yeah, Guy Fawkes blew up House of Commons.

Josh:

November 5th 1982. November 5th 1959.

Travis:

Okay, I'm going to say November 5th 1975.

Josh:

I was going to say that too you can say it Okay, that too you can say it okay yeah, so is this.

Travis:

This is just seems like a really good year for abductions encounters. What is the other really scary alien movie? It'll come to me okay, but I think this, this experience, was cinematically adapted oh, interesting.

Josh:

Okay, we both said november 5th 1975. I hope we're correct. So who was travis wal? Yeah, a 30-year-old fireman, a 16-year-old newspaper carrier, a 21-year-old forestry worker, a 42-year-old bartender.

Travis:

So do you want to hear some deductions in real time, or are we just going to guess?

Josh:

Yeah, we can do deductions.

Travis:

I'm going to rule out a 30-year-old fireman. I don't know why, but my gut is telling me that's not it.

Josh:

I don't know why, but my gut is telling me that's, that's not it.

Travis:

I don't think it's a newspaper carrier. I think and I think the person is older was older than 16 yes so I'm I'm gonna say that forestry worker maybe I mean firemen and forestry worker are. They share similar job descriptions putting out fires right a forestry worker doesn't necessarily just do fires no, you're right, but they are. They're tracking what happens in the forest.

Josh:

Which is also part of their purview is forest fires yeah, I'm between bartender 42 year old bartender and 20 year old forestry worker. Forestry worker, I'm thinking, because if he's out in the forest, I'm thinking forestry worker as well, because it's isolated.

Travis:

I want to rule out bartender, because then that introduces an alcoholic element to it and would, in my mind, instantly discredit somebody. So I think I'm with you with the forestry worker, so maybe there is going to be a tie okay, next question.

Josh:

I say 21 year old forest worker. To next question in what state did the abduction take place? Arizona, nevada, new Mexico, colorado, oh, I think well. I'm going to say Arizona.

Travis:

Okay, geez. Well, I was going to say between Nevada and New Mexico, because it seems like that's where a lot of this activity has been taking place, a documented activity that we've covered on the podcast. So I'm going to go between Nevada and New Mexico. I'm going to settle on Actually you know what? Forestry worker Nevada, new Mexico, arizona.

Josh:

Colorado has forest desert. I'm going to sit with Arizona.

Travis:

I'm going to Colorado.

Josh:

Okay, who was witness to the abduction? No one His girlfriend, three family members, six coworkers.

Travis:

I'm going to say no one.

Josh:

Oh man, I'm going to say his girlfriend.

Travis:

I'm going to say personal account.

Josh:

Next question what did officials think happened to Travis? He was murdered, he ran away, he overdosed, he slept in, he slept in. I'm going to say he was murdered, he ran away, he overdosed, he slept in, he slept in.

Travis:

I'm going to say he was murdered.

Josh:

I mean, I don't know. I don't know what the story is.

Travis:

I'm going to say he ran away. Okay, he slept in.

Josh:

We don't know the story.

Travis:

I know, but what do officials think happened to him? He slept in, he missed his alarm and then was gone.

Josh:

Maybe thing happened to him. He slept like he missed his alarm and then was gone. Maybe it depends on how long he was out, which is the next question. Okay, how long was travis missing? 18 hours, two days, five days or 10 days?

Travis:

I'm gonna go five days. I was gonna go five days.

Josh:

You can go five days, okay. We didn't do all of them, okay, so I think five days. Let's view our accuracy. Oh, it did take place on November 5th 1975.

Travis:

Yes.

Josh:

He was a 21-year-old forest worker, yep Dang, colorado's wrong, it was Arizona.

Travis:

Yeah, good job. I said no one.

Josh:

Who were the witnesses? You said no one. I said his girlfriend.

Travis:

Six co-workers saw it.

Josh:

Six co -workers.

Travis:

I said ran away. I said murdered.

Josh:

Murdered was correct. The officials thought he was murdered and he was gone for five days.

Travis:

Five days. So let's see One, two, three, three out of five, not bad.

Josh:

It's actually six questions. I was wrong. One, two, three, four, five. I got five out of six.

Travis:

I got three.

Josh:

Man, that's still pretty good for just guessing.

Travis:

Okay, so the true story of Travis Walton retells the world-famous 1975 UFO abduction of a 24-year-old logger from Snowflake, Arizona, who disappeared after a blue beam from a craft overhead catapulted him 40 feet into the air. The crew left him for dead. The truth lies in this film. Walton came back to tell it.

Josh:

Cool, I'm excited we haven't done an abduction story, have we?

Travis:

No Fire in the Sky. That was the movie that I was thinking of.

Josh:

Oh, okay, which is a terrifying movie. Is it based off of this? Yes, oh wow.

Travis:

Yeah. So the synopsis Fire in the Sky In 1975. Home after working in a forest, when they see a mysterious light, Intrigued, travis Walton, played by DB Sweeney, leaves the truck, only to be sucked up by a flying saucer. The other four men report the strange event, but they are skeptically interrogated by Lieutenant Frank Waters, played by James Garner, who suspects that murder is behind Walton's disappearance. When Walton reappears five days later, his story of alien abduction is met with disbelief. It's a terrifying movie. Fire in the sky.

Josh:

It's a terrifying story For sure. I'm excited to dig into this. Well, thank you everyone for listening.

Travis:

Smash that like button, sure Rate review, subscribe all those things.

Josh:

Yeah, that does help us get known. Yep, puts us higher up in algorithms and all that jazz. So yeah, if you guys could do that. If puts us higher up in algorithms and all that jazz, so yeah, if you guys could do that. If not, that's fine, we're still going to be making episodes and we will talk to you next time.

Travis:

Yeah, see you later, you paranoid freaks Also. I love you and please be responsible with any information you give us. Bye, thank you.